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@SpeeBree72139 @Knightly_Hist Ah cool. I knew that was the case with sword terminology but didn't know it also extended to armour and helmets this late into their development. Thank you!

@Neonraddish @Knightly_Hist no youre right that is the difference, but historically both were called an armet and only today we make a clear distinction between them.

I've had a lot of people ask me, what's the "From Sofware helmet" (referring to most of their faceless characters in full armor). Whenever you see this round, skull fitting shape with a movable visor and horizontal vision slit, it's usually an armet (close helm).

@SymplyTonbra I believe you will find another earth kingdom individual with a last name. Surname, "Boulder", first name, "The".

Something I realized recently. Is Toph Beifong the only character in ATLA with a last name?

@quasivetra2263 @JimboJones79785 @Afrofrycook @KneeKappa @fade_colors @josephattard02 I would say that 40k is a satirical setting, but that doesn't neccecitate that every single line be satire. You can have sombre moments in a comedy and funny parts in a tragedy, with the setting still being overt. Comedy aside, irony can also qualify something as satire

@Neonraddish @JimboJones79785 @Afrofrycook @KneeKappa @fade_colors @josephattard02 Even if this was fully true (it's not, plenty of Imperium-based material directly praises or sees value in some of the hyper-religious doctrines in the setting) it wouldn't mean *40k was all satire*. It would mean *the Imperium in 40k* was satire.

The Emperor of Mankind *hated* religious belief because he knew it exposed humanity to the Warp. One of the main pillars of 40K’s satire is the idea that the decaying, decrepit Imperium is spitting on their founder’s legacy by embracing religious zealotry. Tourists 🙄

@Afrofrycook @quasivetra2263 @JimboJones79785 @KneeKappa @fade_colors @josephattard02 Also, the emperor actively didn't want to be worshiped as a god as the best way to combat the chaos gods was to deny them sustenance through education and reason. The imperium worshiping him either means their god emperor was flat wrong, or the people worshiping him are.

@Neonraddish @quasivetra2263 @JimboJones79785 @KneeKappa @fade_colors @josephattard02 It doesn't because that religious zeal is good and causes good effects vs. secular Dark Age of technology, whose open-mindedness killed them. It being satire a long time ago doesn't matter as things change. Also stop using AI to write out your replies.

@Afrofrycook @quasivetra2263 @JimboJones79785 @KneeKappa @fade_colors @josephattard02 Genuinely curious, how was it their open-mindedness that led to their downfall? The age of strife is primarily from men of iron and the elder creating a giant psychic fuck-storm in the warp. This isn't a perspective I've heard before so I'm curious.

@quasivetra2263 @JimboJones79785 @Afrofrycook @KneeKappa @fade_colors @josephattard02 That 40k has come to be written more seriously neither breaks the setting from meeting the criteria of satire, nor erases the comedic origin of the setting.

@quasivetra2263 @JimboJones79785 @Afrofrycook @KneeKappa @fade_colors @josephattard02 The imperium is direct critique of religious zealotry through the irony of the emperor's actual beliefs. Also earlier 40k was overtly and frequently comedic. The Ork leader was named after Margret Thatcher, as well as the existence of Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau

@NotAklo If this compromise were met, I would have full and total respect for anyone siding with z-jump, even if I personally have different main values. Putting accessibility behind paywalls when there is no need to is just blatant pay to win. Doesn't solve Boxx, but it's something.

@NotAklo I am against Boxx and Z-Jump for integrity, balance, and monetary reasons. If a feature was added to make zjump an option free in UCF, it would remove the monetary concerns. If you are pro z jump for accessibility, you consistently must be for making it readily available.

My final thoughts on zjump — I recently thought about this for a VERY long while before saying something that I wasn't confident in. In this post I've addressed every point that has been brought up regarding this debate, as well as some points that I haven't seen people mention. As someone who has been playing Melee since the beginning and who at heart actually DISLIKES button remapping in the game, banning Z-jump/GCC remapping simply cannot be justified. You cannot ban zjump without banning boxx. Rather, you SHOULD not. It is logically inconsistent. If you support doing so, then your argument is subjective and not objective. You are biased. I've heard many people argue that banning only GCC remapping is fine because the boxx is an accessibility controller, whereas zjump and remapping are purely for ease of use. It's true that some top players (i.e. Cody, Joshman, Lucky, Chem, etc) have benefited from switching to Z-jump. Yes, it's mostly Fox players, as Fox requires the most high speed execution in the game. But the amount of NON-TOP level players that have improved because of switching to boxx is disproportionate. Yes, the boxx is an accessibility controller. But to pretend that the boxx is not ALSO an ease of use tool is straight up delusional. To be clear btw, I think the boxx being legal is very good for the overall health of the scene. If you think "we can address the boxx if it becomes a problem," then that means you only care if someone actually good at the game is using these tools. Put your bias aside; it is blinding you. The argument that GCC remapping is inaccessible is also just bullshit. Here is why: It's true that you currently need a phob gcc/controller mods to do remapping (which is super dumb btw when stealth mods are possible). However, if you want to play Melee on GCC without remapping, the only feasible way you can properly perform techniques utilized by zumpers and boxx players is to use permanent right hand claw grip. For most human beings, this hand position is extremely uncomfortable. In fact, I would even argue that doing perma claw grip without hand discomfort is EVEN LESS realistic than having controller mods done. It's just such a bad faith argument too because most serious competitors have already been using Phob controllers for years. That being said, zjumping is obviously easier than claw grip. I'm sure there is a very small subset of people who disagree, as this is subjective. Let's be real though. Even aside from competitive gamers, the vast majority of human beings would not think that perma claw grip is easier than holding a controller the conventional way. It IS an ease of use tool, but again — so is the boxx. Last thing I'll say is that I truly find it comical seeing Captain Falcon, Sheik, Marth, and Puff players complain about tech skill being too easy for Fox. "Melee is supposed to be a very difficult game [for you, not me]."

@Malkasaur Last part is kinda my point. It changes how you play for faster, and easier button access. That is a change and not how any OEM works. I'm fine with you thinking that it's justified, but saying there isn't any meaningful difference is just silly. Cody even said this before

@Neonraddish This is a ridiculous comparison because controller macros are banned in every fighting game. This is talking about 1:1 button remapping. Wavedashing is timing based while Z Jump makes it so you don't have to change your controller grip for faster button access.

i do not understand z jump discourse bc isnt it supposed to be the same as claw except its not dogshit for your hands so what's the issue

@Malkasaur Smash already uses macros by default. Grab is coded as a macro. In theory, one could argue that you are just remapping which inputs said button uses for its macro. Why couldn't you re-map it so that instead of shield and attack, it does down, and b?

@Malkasaur In 20 years, banning a bionic arm in classic boxing would not be abelism. I'd be much more ok with button remapping if it was a software addition rather than hardware as well. As it fundamentally keeps access behind more money. That could be seen as socioeconomic discrimination.

@Malkasaur And on the abelism, I would NEVER exclude someone from casual play or groups. Competition, particularly with money, should be carefully evaluated though, and it is not abelst to say so. The Boxx can reliably perform tech that humans just can't on OEM. That's not just leveling.

@Malkasaur Z-jump is not just more comfortable, but easier claw. It makes some tech easier. As for the Boxx, I believe the lack of results is in part due to the top players having all learned on ocm. Relearning the game on completely new format is a lot of effort and risk, z-jump is not.

@Malkasaur Tbh, this is why I would kinda ban the Boxx. Regulating it to make it fair is unfeasible as it stands imo.

@Neonraddish Ok? You can't exactly go around asking everyone who uses a box controller or z jump controller for a doctor's note nor should you need to wait for them to develop hand problems that require them to swap before they do.

@Malkasaur Sorry for the multiple replies, character limit is garbage. If a controller was somehow modified to make the C-stick do a wavedash, OEMs can wavedash and C-stick is already a macro, re-mapping would surely constitute a major change, even if it made the process more comfortable

@Neonraddish 1) i dont understand why you would even mention 1st party as if we don't have box controllers unless you're against those as well. 2) again z jump is supposed to have the same benefit as claw but more ergonomic so its not really doing something an oem controller cant

@Malkasaur Most tournaments wouldn't restrict a player from taking prescribed medication for a diagnosed illness, but if that drug boosted gameplay, someone using it without a diagnosis would be an issue. People who need it are fine, but use for competitive edge is bad imo.

@Malkasaur The reason that UCF was added was so that people didn't have to spend loads of money on controllers to have a competitive advantage. Modded controllers that do something that no 1st party item can do pushes away from that, and also benefits some characters much more heavily.