@eimibun It’s almost like different hospitals have different rules that may differ based on the patient’s current state…
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TheYellowHypergiant
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Also he’s lying, my mom is a nurse that works in a psychiatric unit and deals with suicidal patients almost everyday
When they receive visitors, for the patients’ safety they forbid you from giving them any sort of electronics or any item in general to avoid harming theirselves
Urbanshade@UrbanshadeRblx
with further developments. My family will be posting this document and reply on my behalf. During my stay, my mom has been visiting me, letting me borrow a laptop to write whilst offline, and reading aloud the messages of people who have messaged her.
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@vokevr @cutewife9980355 How, how do you type this and decide that’s a smart comparison to make
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@cutewife9980355 Mental retardation victim there's something called retracting consent just because people in the holocaust told the germans they have consent to fuck them doesn't mean they actually wanted it
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If you must draw a conclusion from the document, it is 'make sure you ask your future self if they still consent'
Urbanshade@UrbanshadeRblx
docs.google.com/document/d/1_6… Additional Context and Clarification Regarding Recent Allegations
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@fumitokihime I can cherrypick too and say that most of Ren’s supporters want Zeal to kill himself.
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Notice how almost ALL Zeal supporters are homo/transphobic, ableist, and misogynistic...? 🤔
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@Greyvingrevin @Zestyzexylmao @SieiQ_BRAINROT But you might have trouble knowing when your partner is supposedly fawning and faking enthusiasm (as Ren claims) and that “yes” actually means “no.”
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@Zestyzexylmao @SieiQ_BRAINROT Asshole. As an autistic person I do not sexually abuse my partner in any means, that is just some nullcrap
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SA's someone, manipulates them, turn others against her, drive her into almost suicide, make a shitty statement after getting exposed, play arsenal after claiming to k!ll himself, release another shitty doc.They call him potential Roblox dev.
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@Zestyzexylmao @SieiQ_BRAINROT Note how he doesn’t blame not being able to read Ren well, but it is still relevant.
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@SieiQ_BRAINROT This shit doesn't get any better.
You can't blame your autism for literal S/A.
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@thloveofthgame @R0ttenTr33 @Ivory2131 @pavidssss I know, but the issue is that Zeal might not have even known that (especially due to his disorder) so in my opinion, if Ren was really fawning, it'd be more fair to blame BPD and mutual miscommunication instead of just blaming Zeal for not knowing "yes" meant "no."
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@OneHypergiant @R0ttenTr33 @Ivory2131 @pavidssss Ren, like I said, is not exactly stable and literally said she didn't want Zeal to leave so she tried to please him
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@thloveofthgame @R0ttenTr33 @Ivory2131 @pavidssss ...Did you not read Ren's doc?
It's a trauma response that causes people to please others. In Ren's case, she claims that her engaging in the sexual acts, saying how much she enjoyed it, etc. was fawning and therefore didn't express her true feelings, but how could Zeal know?
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@thloveofthgame @R0ttenTr33 @Ivory2131 @pavidssss That does not mean he should've known when Ren was "fawning" and when she wasn't since he's not a mind-reader. Plus, Ren knew he had autism and would likely have difficulty reading her as well.
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@OneHypergiant @R0ttenTr33 @Ivory2131 @pavidssss because zeal is aware of the fact ren is not a stable person???
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@MrSardough37216 @yesokmori Consent doesn't necessarily require a very explicit "yes," particularly if the other person is ACTIVELY taking part in the activities and encouraging them instead of not responding or saying "no."
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@OneHypergiant @yesokmori “after the fact”
three words that kills a zeal supporter in an instant
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zeal cuts out the part where ren explains consent to him!
astridstar (semi-active) ⚙@sonadowyuri
i find it concerning how this conversation between ren and zeal was brushed over, where ren literally has to explain the concept of consent to zeal. "you need to ask me "can I?"" "you ripped everything off and did things without asking"
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@thloveofthgame @R0ttenTr33 @Ivory2131 @pavidssss In this case, how is the supposed abuser (Zeal) supposed to be aware that the only reason is an addiction to how loving they are if they aren't shown this fact?
(Recommented because I used the wrong word earlier)
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@OneHypergiant @R0ttenTr33 @Ivory2131 @pavidssss I'm not an SA victim but I've had an experience similar so I'll try and explain it
people often crave their abuser even though they know what'll happen because they are addicted to how loving they are, even if it was just for manipulation
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@R0ttenTr33 @thloveofthgame @Ivory2131 @pavidssss In hindsight, it's easy to say you would know that "yes" actually meant "no," but it would likely be harder to catch in that moment, especially for someone with a disorder affecting the ability to read people well. Why does BPD excuse Ren's actions, but autism doesn't for Zeal's?
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@OneHypergiant @thloveofthgame @Ivory2131 @pavidssss I think he should've understood that after the way she kept rapidly changing her opinion on things to please him, autism or not it doesn't excuse anything - if she said no the first time, I wouldn't be convinced if she started rapidly saying how she wants to continue
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@thloveofthgame @Ivory2131 @pavidssss She was also "smiling, laughing, and giggling when [they] weren’t kissing," making Zeal believe it was consensual?
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@thloveofthgame @R0ttenTr33 @Ivory2131 @pavidssss Perhaps, but to the point of wanting to do the exact thing that traumatized them once again?
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@OneHypergiant @R0ttenTr33 @Ivory2131 @pavidssss that's what most victims react with, they're attached to their abuser and depend on them
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@SGolum91877 I'm not quite sure I understand the second part, but for the first, she did send him messages about enjoying it later on.
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@OneHypergiant She didn't say anything, now we know Zeal isn't good at Sex but if your Partner Doesn't say a word while shaboinking then it can lead to them not wanting to do this indirectly leading to awkward Sex
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@thloveofthgame @Ivory2131 @pavidssss Yet she never told him to stop for good at any point during the encounter?
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@R0ttenTr33 @thloveofthgame @Ivory2131 @pavidssss And instead of saying no, she was an active participant instead of saying no, then said she enjoyed it, then apparently wanted to do it again the next day and prepared for it.
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@OneHypergiant @thloveofthgame @Ivory2131 @pavidssss a kiss doesn't meant forcing yourself onto someone bro
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@thloveofthgame @Ivory2131 @pavidssss Ren telling Zeal to take it more slowly for next time doesn't mean there wasn't any consent when it actually happened, and Ren was outwardly enthusiastic and was an active participant. She never told him no without immediately changing it back to yes.
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