TheMoose
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I'm realizing a lot of red button pushers don't know what low vs high trust is. A lot of them seem to believe: "High trust = trusting everyone to lock their doors at night and have a personal security detail."
Bad Egg@BadEggGames
@Daniel86Cycles @Vexarian my personal risk is. and that's the rule for most scenes my guy. You don't make more victims. risk a lot to save a lot, only works if the collective action isn't making a TON of risk. and blue is absolutely risking up to half the population out of low trust.
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@TheFrakFiles @westernwizardry @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead My parents/kids/spouse/friends would push the I want to live button.
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@westernwizardry @PANationalMoose @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead Because a bunch of folks are narcissistic asshats that don’t care if their parents/kids/spouse/friends die as long as they live. I feel for them, such miserable and unhappy lives they must have.
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@Zero22350 @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead But that’s the thing, billions don’t have to die. All they have to do it hit the other button.
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@PANationalMoose @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead No, I’m hoping that enough people pick Blue so that we don’t have a world where billions die. You’re hoping for the same thing too, you just want others to put their lives on the line instead of you
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@JasperWhalen1 @LadyGravemaster It takes zero coordination to push the nothing happens button.
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@LadyGravemaster Does it require more coordination to get 100% of people to do a thing, or 51%?
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For anyone still confused;
If everyone pushes the red button, everyone survives. Done.
If anyone pushes the blue button, they're committing suicide unless they can convince at least half of everyone else to also risk suicide in order for none of them to have to actually do it, but they want to, and now get to, brag they were willing to kill themselves & convince a multitude of others to as well, even though there was a perfectly logical, non-suicidal option the entire time that wouldn't have risked any of the population.
BeuwenDragon@BeuwenDragon
Blue button pushers are easily manipulated by deceptive wording, selfishly resorting to emotional coercion to manipulate other people into gambling their lives to save them from the consequences of their own choice, all while gaslighting everyone to thinking they are altruistic.
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@_Texas_Chris_ @jimiuorio No I’m not, but if I were, I would say that red in that scenario corresponds to what some Communist revolutionaries advocate
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I’m floored at how fascinating and telling the red button blue button debate is. There are many people who make the reasonable (but totally wrong imv) case for choosing blue..I feel it’s entirely irresponsible to put your own life in jeopardy to save people who could very very easily save themselves…the blue pill pushers seem to want to view themselves as part of the collective that will save the species..it’s the hero/delusions of grandeur psychological condition that will lead to awful outcomes..
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@Rattivik @ChitlinPapppi @StandardHb @xspotsdamark Ah yes the height of civilization Africa and the Americas, truly hope we can evolve to their level one day.
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@ChitlinPapppi @StandardHb @xspotsdamark I'd say written sources are more useful for archaeological research, but oral tradition is still a valid form of passing down knowledge which I believe was the most common way of preserving info across Africa and the Americas
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-British guy goes to Africa: “What’s this animal called”
-African tribesman: “We call it Okapi”
- Western scholars: “The Okapi was discovered 150 years ago by that British guy”
FranceNews24@FranceNews24
🔴 INFO - #Nature : L'#okapi a la tête d'une #girafe, les rayures d'un #zèbre, le corps d'un cheval et une langue bleue assez longue pour nettoyer ses yeux et oreilles. Découvert il y a moins de 150 ans, il vit uniquement à l'état sauvage en République démocratique du Congo.
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@Zero22350 @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead No, you are choosing to be the murder victim and hoping someone steps in to save you.
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@PANationalMoose @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead That’s true, and I’m choosing not to be one of those people. You’re choosing to be one of them.
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@clair_janitor @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead I didn’t say everyone. Let’s say it’s 55/45 what do YOU choose?
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@PANationalMoose @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead If I know everyone is picking the red one what’s the point of anything
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@Zero22350 @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead And there are people that just stand there while someone gets murdered right in front of them too. Thats not relevant to the hypothetical.
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@PANationalMoose @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead People risk their lives in order to help others all the time, in real life. It’s called bravery. Not surprised you’re unfamiliar with the concept
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@clair_janitor @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead Would you pick your “morally superior” choice and die with the blues or the “immoral” one and live?
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@PANationalMoose @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead “Hey what if the hypothetical didn’t matter anymore would you still choose the option that you like more that kills you?” What if the earth blow up dude
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@clair_janitor @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead If you knew going into the booth the outcome would be red receiving the most votes would you pick blue?
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@PANationalMoose @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead You’re arguing that I shouldn’t try and go for the greater good and only save myself. That’s a pretty clear example of “fuck you got mine”
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@clair_janitor @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead “Don’t risk yourself for my sake” equated to “fuck you got mine”. No wonder collectivist societies always mass murder their own citizens.
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@PANationalMoose @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead Ah the “fuck you got mine” way of thinking. No thanks
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@clair_janitor @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead Neither do I, the difference between is that I’m not willing to tell people that they should risk death for my benefit. I’m arguing that you should choose red for your own sake, not mine.
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@PANationalMoose @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead I don’t live for them but I don’t actively seek ways to only help me, I want things to happen that help EVERYONE collectively
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@drwatsonabc @Kareshy_Oruta @clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead Who believes Mr Rodger’s was actually evil?
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@Kareshy_Oruta @clockworksDream @PANationalMoose @Coach_left4dead The same phenomenon is why some people believe, without evidence, that Fred Rogers was a phoney compensating for some dark secret.
If they accept the possibility that one can just choose simple goodness, they have no excuse for not doing the same. They just don't want to.
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@matterasmachine If this is your idea of immigrants, should we continue to let them in the country?
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When "red button pressers" argue that "third worlders" would vote red, they do not understand that those people they meet locally are opportunists.
You can't know, how a person that did not take the chance to leave their "shit hole" for "better life", a person who has a strong bond with their community, will vote.
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@clockworksDream @Coach_left4dead But you don’t live for those other people either. You’re just lying to yourself to feel superior. If it was an actual scenario and not just some stupid twitter poll you’d hit the red button every time.
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@Coach_left4dead "heh these woke blue pressers did it to themselves" have you considered i'm not an asshole and i will try to help people when they do "dumb shit" to themselves because living only for myself and my immediate relationships is lame
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@matterasmachine You are not as intelligent as you think you are.
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The blue button is not a suicide button; it’s a genetic memory of a strategy that let humanity survive through millions of years. And here the right comes and calls it a suicide button. Ridiculous.
Matter as Machine@matterasmachine
Predators cannot attack the entire herd. They will have to wait until the herd begins to run away, and then attack the stragglers. That's all you need to know about the team red. Those who press the red button cause panic and deaths.
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why the fuck would you press red? everyone survives if we press blue, it's guaranteed survival for everyone, by default everyone should be pressing blue, without even needing to coordinate. default state of human should be to want and guarantee best outcome, not settling.
vittorio@IterIntellectus
why would anyone even press blue?!?
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@MansionMaze @Aella_Girl No, it’s just that chronically online twitter users don’t have a rational view of the world and 90% of their opinions are just blatantly retarded.
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@PANationalMoose @Aella_Girl Do you not see this entire website currently arguing about this? All the rewordings like the blender one have votes far more skewed towards red than blue due to how the threat of what pressing blue does is actually tangible instead of just pushing a button, it is tricking people.
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@spqr_sulla @OccamsBraiser Every functioning society throughout history was built by red pushers. Blue pushers create socialist hellscapes.
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@OccamsBraiser Blue is pro social, red is not.
Everyone will not just pick red.
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Blue button is correct and red is anti-civilizational.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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