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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@originalddawg @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos How much has changed in the last 65 years? He also learned Chinese. He was hardly an average person, let alone American. Regardless of our opinions, we lack the authority to make a decision on the matter. Ethnic parishes are dying, convert parishes are flourishing.
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D. Dawg
D. Dawg@originalddawg·
@ParousiaDay @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos Fr. Seraphim Rose had the opposite experience. He walked into the ROCOR Russian Cathedral in San Francisco at a time when practically no English was heard in these churches, yet here he is 65 years later being considered by the Syond for glorification. It's called being humble
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Orthodox Ethos
Orthodox Ethos@OrthodoxEthos·
So does mean that the Greeks are not to be present in Australia **as missionaries**, following in the footsteps of such great missionaries that Saint Nicholas of Japan, or Saint Innocent of Alaska or holy Father Kosmas of Grigoriou in the Congo? They all worked tirelessly to translate the Divine Scriptures and Services into the local languages…
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FAWKNER, AUSTRALIA — Abp. Makarios of Australia has reaffirmed the central role of the Greek language in Orthodox worship, warning that abandoning it would endanger the Church’s identity within the Greek diaspora. Speaking at the conclusion of the Vespers of the Descent from the Cross on Holy Friday at the Church of St. Nektarios in Fawkner, he stressed that liturgical Greek remains essential to preserving both spiritual and cultural continuity.

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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@originalddawg @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos So all of those ethnic groups came to America because they love apostacy and perversion? If America wasn't overrun by zionism we wouldn't allow foreigners to come here and not totally assimilate by adopting our language. Maybe you should show some appreciation and respect.
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D. Dawg
D. Dawg@originalddawg·
@ParousiaDay @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos Just giving you the facts. Your own kinsmen perverted the Christian faith, so now you have to go to Russians, Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, "Antiochians", etc. who brought the true faith with them & preserved it in a secular, apostate America. Maybe show some appreciation & respec
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@originalddawg @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos For most people, their first liturgy is a core experience that develops their interest in Orthodoxy. Had I walked into an all Slavonic or Koine service instead of English, I don't know if I would've returned. This isn't complex arithmetic here.
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D. Dawg
D. Dawg@originalddawg·
@ParousiaDay @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos The liturgy is the same everywhere. An Orthodox Christiancan understand it in any language. Catechesis is always in thr vernacular. That's not what's holding America back from becoming Orthodox. It's the entrenched Prot. attitudes. Converts can build their own parish churches.
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@TheIkonian @UOJ_America Americans have no such ancient jewels, but we that have found the faith treasure it. I think you're fooling yourself if you can't admit that Greeks, especially in America, are insular and tend to treat the church like a social club.
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@TheIkonian @UOJ_America I don't hate Greeks, nor am I jealous of them. I visited Greece last summer and went to Philotheou monastery on Mt. Athos to witness a corrective baptism. What I saw in Thessaloniki was a place steeped in precious jewels that most people don't think twice about.
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UOJ - America@UOJ_America·
FAWKNER, AUSTRALIA — Abp. Makarios of Australia has reaffirmed the central role of the Greek language in Orthodox worship, warning that abandoning it would endanger the Church’s identity within the Greek diaspora. Speaking at the conclusion of the Vespers of the Descent from the Cross on Holy Friday at the Church of St. Nektarios in Fawkner, he stressed that liturgical Greek remains essential to preserving both spiritual and cultural continuity.
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@originalddawg @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos Ah yes, my grandpa king James and my great uncle Martin Luther, how could I forget? You have no idea what my heritage is, yet you disparage my entire nation and claim the preservation of the faith as though from your very own hand. Yet I'm the proud one?
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D. Dawg
D. Dawg@originalddawg·
@ParousiaDay @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos Russians & Greeks (& others) have been celebrating the liturgy in anciennt languages which are not readily or strictly comprehensible to the masses for over 1000 years. Yet their cultures produced countless saints while yours produced heresy & religious insanity. Think about that
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@originalddawg @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos Why aren't services in Russia in koine? Are you really saying it's just as difficult for modern Greeks to learn liturgical greek, than it is for English speakers? I want the conversion of my country, and I know that it won't happen if they don't understand the liturgy.
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D. Dawg
D. Dawg@originalddawg·
@ParousiaDay @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos This has nothing to do with "Greek supremacy". Once you shake your Protestant baggage & understand that liturgical Greek is not even natively spoken by Greeks themselves, you'll come to understand that this isn't a mere "ethnic thing" & begin to approach such issues with humility
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@TheIkonian @UOJ_America I agree in principle, but to say that the canons regarding jurisdictional boundaries is observed in America is just not true. I'm not focused on it as an object of my salvation but as an advocate for a solution. We can't solve problems that we don't acknowledge.
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@JustinTime82313 @OrthodoxEthos @ParvumPrincipi I'm coming from a place of frustration with the lack of canonical observances in the American jurisdictions, where it's essentially the "wild west", and is largely treated as a cash cow. I want the conversion of my country, and it won't happen with the dominant
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@TheIkonian @UOJ_America If the church didn't abandon the canons concerning America, there would be an American Orthodox Church, and this wouldn't be an issue.
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The Ikonian
The Ikonian@TheIkonian·
@ParousiaDay @UOJ_America Great that your parish figured out what works best for it's parishioners. Can other parishes and jurisdictions be afforded the same courtesy? Clearly there are people (Greeks and most definitely non-Greeks) that want to hear the Liturgy in it's original language.
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@miostudio3 @OrthodoxEthos You do understand that your argument entails that anyone who is catechized, baptized, and faithful in an English, Slavonic, Romanian, Arabic, etc-speaking language lacks "vital theology" because of it, right?
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Spyros Kalogirou
Spyros Kalogirou@miostudio3·
@OrthodoxEthos No, it only means what Σεβασμιότατος said, a) liturgical Greek was essential (and of existential importance) for the Greeks and their language through out the ages, b) liturgical Greek is vital for Orthodox theology because contains terminology that is handicapped when translated
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Lazarus (Лазар)@OrdotsarIC·
True but there is a living Saint Russian elder who said that any vernacular (English/ Spanish etc) was damnable (modernism) so it would seem tha unless we get other living Saint elders that say the inverse we are to have only these older languages (though tbf nothing has been said about Old English or pre-latin languages of countries/ people being used)
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@originalddawg @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos You're essentially saying that anyone incapable of learning koine doesn't deserve to saved. This isn't an issue in third world countries, where this fact is plainly understood, only western countries where Greek superemacy is being asserted.
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@originalddawg @DeportedBel @OrthodoxEthos The number of people in other countries, both willing and able to learn koine, is infinitesimal compared to the number who could be saved by serving the people in their native tongue.
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Symeon Brower@ParousiaDay·
@JustinTime82313 @OrthodoxEthos @ParvumPrincipi The pride of a lot of Greeks is crazy. There is no precedent in church history that establishes that koine is the official Church language or that Orthodoxy is Greek. Paul himself said it is better to pray one word with understanding than hundreds without.
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