Pastor Gene Pensiero

@lukeappleton Define falling out.

If a pastor say has a major falling out with his kids, should he step back from ministry? 1 Timothy 3:4-5 (KJV) 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

@Toneskeee If something would be morally horrific for a human being, it feels deeply unsettling to attribute it to God and label it glorious. Unless Arminianism, Wesleyanism, Dispensationalism, can be proved false teachings - I will embrace one of them.

Christ's death on the cross was intentionally designed to atone for the sins of the elect only, who are those unconditionally chosen by God for salvation rather than for every individual human being. The atonement was not merely sufficient for all but actually effective and purposeful in securing the salvation of God's chosen people.

Evidently, I needed a crash course in recycling bin safety.

@Markbhere2 @Fair_and_Biased When a contributor belittles & is condescending, I ignore their posts. That kind of thing is worse than any disagreement in non-essential doctrine.

@Fair_and_Biased Romans 11.26 when it says all Israel will be saved. was written at a time when the Israel Paul was talking about were those in Christ. Not some Rogue country 2.000 years later that was erroneously named Israel. Read the rest of the new testament & educate yourself

I’m tired of highlighting and linking Romans 11. Could you guys just read it? 😉🙏🏻

@CauseToKnow @kathmregel @KarenCicco @brunobarking @JustBibleTruth @god_came_down @the_usal @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael If the Church is expecting the antichrist, believers will know they have years before the Lord comes for us. There would be no urgency to share the Gospel. I don't see where we are told to get ready for antichrist. I do see encouragement to be looking for Jesus Christ.

Well, that's the danger of the pretrib doctrine. Mat 24:44 instructs us to be ready. If we're not expecting to experience persecution by antichrist, we will not be ready ...we will be confused. BTW, our persecution by antichrist is not to refine/purify us. It is Satan trying to steal, kill, and destroy

May almighty God and His Son Jesus, the Messiah who came the first time 2000 years ago as a Lamb, and will come very soon as the LION of the tribe of Judah to save save His people Israel, be glorified. Let the will of God be done, and let the will of man be in His hands.

@god_came_down @brunobarking @kathmregel @CauseToKnow @KarenCicco @JustBibleTruth @the_usal @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

@brunobarking @kathmregel @CauseToKnow @KarenCicco @JustBibleTruth @PastorGene @the_usal @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael Exactly why it matters. We in the west live in a bubble concerning tribulations. Not only do we logically resist even the thought of suffering, but suffering is foreign to us.

@god_came_down @brunobarking @kathmregel @CauseToKnow @KarenCicco @JustBibleTruth @the_usal @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael That's the argument I constantly hear about why the church must endure at least the wrath of man. By the same logic, believers in the east would not need to endure it since they are already experienced with tribulation.

@JustBibleTruth @kathmregel @CauseToKnow @KarenCicco @god_came_down @brunobarking @the_usal @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael Don’t mistake judgment for discipline. Those were first century churches, and what was written to them is for all of us who have ears to hear.

@kathmregel @CauseToKnow @KarenCicco @PastorGene @god_came_down @brunobarking @the_usal @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael Is Jesus judging YOU based on your works? The answer is no, no He is not So the 7 letters to 7 churches can’t be written to or about you In fact, they are future Jewish churches as Jesus was a minister of the circumcision Rom 15:8

@god_came_down Debates are personality contests. Discussions like the one we are having are more appropriate. PreTrib is the only position that encourages us to wait expectantly right now. We are the ones who take the signs literally & seriously.

“Stage-Setters” is a Lee Brainard invention, another way to reinterpret “SIGNS” the things that come before Christ’s Gathering of His church. It’s a ridiculous way to agree with PreWrath that signs DO come before the rapture without admitting “signs” come before the rapture. A lot of people assume that he’s got a doctorate or a degree in theology or something and he doesn’t he’s self taught, which is fine but just understand he makes stuff up a lot. He overlooks a lot of things. He leaves out critical quotes by Irenaeus and only quotes him if it supports pre-trib, and not the part that it supports pre-wrath at above pre-trib. That’s deceptive. Stage-setters are the guys that do everything before the play takes place and when it’s done, you can know that the play is gonna happen. That’s the same as signs when all these things are in place you know the next thing is to look up because Jesus is about to take the stage. Lee Brainard is too chicken to debate me publicly by the way. He blocked me at our first encounter. Just a show how weak the pre-tribulation view is Lee Brainerd now says we should be looking for signs ha ha ha and he says “perhaps 60 or 70 or 80% of the stage setting could happen before Christ returns.” Christians need to quit trusting the words of men and dig in to the word of God and let it speak through the Holy Spirit, not men.

@god_came_down There will be cashless global commerce accessed by the Mark. That tech exists NOW. I see in that the stage being set for the Great Tribulation. It's a sign.

@god_came_down @kathmregel @KarenCicco @brunobarking @the_usal @JustBibleTruth @CauseToKnow @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael I've been preTrib for 50 years. I only heard of Lee Brainerd, maybe a year ago. Of course there are signs of the Lord's coming. The stage is being set for the Great Tribulation. There isn't a signs/no signs contradiction.

“Stage-Setters” is a Lee Brainard invention, another way to reinterpret “SIGNS” the things that come before Christ’s Gathering of His church. It’s a ridiculous way to agree with PreWrath that signs DO come before the rapture without admitting “signs” come before the rapture. A lot of people assume that he’s got a doctorate or a degree in theology or something and he doesn’t he’s self taught, which is fine but just understand he makes stuff up a lot. He overlooks a lot of things. He leaves out critical quotes by Irenaeus and only quotes him if it supports pre-trib, and not the part that it supports pre-wrath at above pre-trib. That’s deceptive. Stage-setters are the guys that do everything before the play takes place and when it’s done, you can know that the play is gonna happen. That’s the same as signs when all these things are in place you know the next thing is to look up because Jesus is about to take the stage. Lee Brainard is too chicken to debate me publicly by the way. He blocked me at our first encounter. Just a show how weak the pre-tribulation view is Lee Brainerd now says we should be looking for signs ha ha ha and he says “perhaps 60 or 70 or 80% of the stage setting could happen before Christ returns.” Christians need to quit trusting the words of men and dig in to the word of God and let it speak through the Holy Spirit, not men.

@CauseToKnow @god_came_down @kathmregel @KarenCicco @brunobarking @the_usal @JustBibleTruth @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael I completely reject the notion that the Church will suffer the wrath of man in order to prepare us for heaven. We are the unique bride of Jesus Christ, and our preparation is discussed by the Lord in Ephesians. No wrath.

@PastorGene @god_came_down @kathmregel @KarenCicco @brunobarking @the_usal @JustBibleTruth @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael When believers are being persecuted by antichrist, there will be great urgency for the return of Christ

@CauseToKnow @god_came_down @kathmregel @KarenCicco @brunobarking @the_usal @JustBibleTruth @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael Sorry if this sounds cliché, but if the Church will be on earth simultaneously with the man of sin, then I'm watching for the antichrist, not Jesus Christ. Urgency means I can be raptured at any moment. Any other rapture timing delays urgency.

@god_came_down @kathmregel @KarenCicco @brunobarking @the_usal @JustBibleTruth @CauseToKnow @DaMadMattster @TheSisko @soonintheclouds @jnatael Imminence means that nothing must occur prior to the resurrection & rapture of the church. It could happen any moment. We see all the signs; they are stage-setters for the Time of JACOB'S Trouble. PreTrib is the only interpretation that promotes urgency.

Problem is that the BIBLICAL doctrine of imminence doesn’t align with the PreTrib interpretation of imminence. 1️⃣Jesus said WATCH. 2️⃣Jesus gave us signs. 3️⃣Jesus said we COULD KNOW when His coming is EVEN AT THE DOORS”. PreTribs MUST IGNORE ALL of these Biblical FACTS to maintain their false doctrine called PreTrib. Matthew 24 describes a mirror of Revelation 6-8 WITH the RAPTURE and CONFIRMS PreWrath eschatology because the sequence of events and the events are the same in both books. So PreTribs say Matthew24-25 are NOT to the Church, but to Israel. This is where PreTribs get PAINTED INTO A CORNER ‼️ The verses that PreTrib bases their theory of unlimited, signless imminence on ARE IN MATTHEW 24 AND 25‼️‼️‼️ The SAME chapters the CLAIM ARE Tao ISRAEL and NOT the CHURCH ‼️‼️‼️ ✅🙏🏻Prepare your ❤️hearts for a time a trials Brothers and Sisters. Because Revelation 6 is NOT God’s WRATH until verse 16,17. The rest is to refine the faith of the apostate church so she won’t still be naked when Christ does come in accordance with the signs He gave us and the math God gave Daniel and John.

@Vicar1973 Well spoken! Couldn't agree more… Except for your slight on dispensationalists.

There's nothing more stupid in the church today than evangelicals doing a play-acting "Seder Supper." First, we don't need to do a fake Passover. The church already has the Lord's Supper which is (among other things) the fulfillment of the old covenant Passover. Jesus gave us a meal. Why do something other than what he commanded? Why do another religious meal when Jesus already gave us one? The reason some evangelicals get interested is the Seder is that, having eviscerated the true sacraments of their meaning and efficacy, they go looking for substitutes. They have emptied the true sacraments (baptism and the Lord's Supper) of mystery, yet, being human, they still yearn for meaningful and mysterious rituals, so they either borrow from Jewish tradition (the Seder as a substitute for the Lord's Supper) or they create their own (such as the altar call). The answer to this longing for meaningful rituals should be satisfied by reclaiming and understanding what Jesus gave us. Doing a Seder is not a way to return to the church's roots; it is the church engaging in idolatrous syncretism, no matter how well intentioned. Second, most of the Seder is not actually rooted in Scripture. It's not the ritual described in Exodus 12 or later OT Scripture. Most of it comes from later extra-biblical traditions; indeed, most of it comes from rabbinic Judaism, and was established long after Christian faith and Judaism were clearly distinct and very different faiths. Even if those rabbinic traditions get infused with Christian symbolism, they are not "our" traditions and symbols. They comes from the Talmud, not the Bible. Christians have no more business doing a Seder than than they do keeping Ramadan or celebrating Kwanza. The church has her own meal, her own traditions, her own calendar, her own story. Why borrow from apostate Judaism? Why syncretize the Christian faith with a rival? I have argued elsewhere that one deep-seated reason dispensational evangelicals are attracted to modern Israel is because they have rejected Christendom but still long to have an earthy, embodied cultural manifestation of the faith. The same thing is happening here - having minimized the power of the Christian sacraments, these same evangelicals look to Judaism to provide what they (wrongly) think their own religion lacks. Third, for Christians to try to perform an old covenant Passover in any way is virtually blasphemous - and it's impossible anyway. Will the Seder meal only be for the circumcised per Exodus 12, and those who keep the cleanness laws of Leviticus? Where are are Levitical priests going to be found to administer the ritual? How does taking this pseudo-Passover meal outside of Jerusalem get justified in light of Deuteronomy 16? How will a lamb be sacrificed at the temple, per the old covenant requirement, since the temple was destroyed in 70AD? Will 2 year olds be welcome to eat the Seder since the Passover meal was for the whole household and obviously included young children? What about the shedding of blood after Jesus' death on the cross - on what basis could any Christian revert to an animal sacrifice when the final sacrifice has been offered? The Passover was part of a system that God ended in 70AD. To turn back to it (especially in rabbinic/Talmudic form) is no better and no different from turning to paganism (cf. Gal. 4:8-11). The whole point of the Last Supper is that Jesus has transformed the old covenant Passover into something better - the new covenant meal of the Lord's Supper. Doing a Seder is participating in a religious system that rejected Jesus as Messiah. There's more that could be said, but these reasons are fully sufficient for Christians to reject the Seder. Do the meal Jesus gave us. Do it every Lord's Day, like the apostles did. Read Calvin on the real (Spiritual) presence and embrace a theology of sacramental efficacy. Use good bread and real wine. We don't need weird non-Christian rituals to give the season meaning.

@Vicar1973 Well said! God has an order to things, and compatibility is His order in marriage. It carries over to the church.

Note on a wife's submission to her husband: Egalitarians push the concept of "mutual submission" based on Ephesians 5:21. The grammatical problems with this way of reading that text have been pointed out many times by the better commentators. The egalitarian reading of the text is a novel interpretation. It's a reading of the text driven by an agenda, not by the actual words. And it is, frankly, asinine. "Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ" does not mean everyone submitting to everyone, which would be absurd. It is a command to respect the various hierarchies God has built into his world (the word "hierarchy" means "sacred order" or "holy rule"). It is a call to respect and live within the good order God has established. It is a command to obey the divine design. Paul spells out what "submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ" looks like in various domains in 5:22-6:9. Wives submit to husbands, children to parents, and slaves to masters. It would be absurd to say these relationships can be flipped around in the name of "mutual submission." Submission only goes in one direction, in the nature of the case. In each of these three domains, Paul uses the word "submit" or it's near synonym "obey" of only one group -- the group under authority. He never reverses the order. He never tells husbands to submit their wives, parents to obey their children, or masters to obey their slaves. He never speaks of wives ruling their households the way he does with men (cf. 1 Timothy 3:4). The relationship most under attack today is the husband/wife relationship. To speak of wives submitting to husbands is anathema in our feminist, egalitarian world. And yet this is precisely why it is urgent for the topic to be addressed. 1/6

@god_came_down PreTrib puts more Scriptural emphasis on the biblical distinction between Israel, the Church, and the Gentile nations. All 7yrs of the Trib are the Time of Jacob's Trouble. What do you say regarding Israel?

PreWrath recognizes that. What Christians are only now waking up to is that PreWrath recognizes PreTrib , midTrib, and PostTrib all in one Biblical view without omitting any scripture, Old or New Testament. PreWrath is the synthesis of the 3 major views of Revelation. It’s quite beautiful how all OT prophecy just falls into place effortlessly. youtu.be/xwXoMNpOhos?si…

I say this in all love , but PreTrib eschatology has a HOLE IN IT big enough to drive a Semi-Truck through. PreTribulationists argue that Matthew 24 isn’t to the church but only to Israel. “What will be the sign of your coming?” They asked Jesus. Verse 3. The events and the sequence of those signs Christ told them about in Matthew 24 mirror Revelation 6 thru the beginning of 8 , which is vitally important information that God wants us to know. PreTribs argue that the Rapture is before Revelation 6 and they call chapter 6 God’s wrath, but it isn’t. When I point out to PreTribs that foundational verses of scripture in support of their view of the Rapture are Matthew 24:36,42 , the same chapter they argue isn’t to the church, they never respond. Not occasionally respond. They NEVER respond.

@kenkohpilot @wordsofthislife Seems to me that 'tangible' is equally problematic. I do see what you're saying & I'll search it out. Thanks.

@PastorGene @wordsofthislife According to the Bible, a spiritual body is tangible, but you are saying the Bible uses the word “physical,” which is incorrect. We shouldn’t add words into Scripture that aren’t there. I'm sure you can agree on this.

The Old Testament predicted the first coming of our Lord. The Old Testament also predicts the second coming of Christ. To deny the literal physical reality of the second coming is as serious as it would be to deny His first.

@kenkohpilot @wordsofthislife I appreciate the chat. I’ll get into it more on my own. Be blessed.

@PastorGene @wordsofthislife (Greek pneuma) lacks “flesh and bones,” proving His body is tangible—but nowhere does it say “physical.” You are saying “physical,” not the Bible. Can you point to the verse that says "physical" or are you making up a word not in the Bible?