@rospigge60559 By logic of the Russo-Ukrainian war Hormuz strait with its 24 miles should be considered an active kill zone. I guess Trump was occupied with his ballroom and ignored the hysterical evaluation of modern warfare. 😌
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I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law.
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Europe sending major naval assets to Hormuz on short notice?
Highly unlikely.
Not without clear objectives, shared risk…
and trust.
First Squawk@FirstSquawk
TRUMP HAS EFFECTIVELY GIVEN EUROPE AN ULTIMATUM: WITHIN DAYS, THEY MUST COMMIT ACTUAL MILITARY FORCES—LIKE WARSHIPS—TO THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ: DER SPIEGEL
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NATO has been ripping off the U.S. for a while now. They are a relic of the past. If they aren’t holding up their end of the deal we should leave.
Department of State@StateDept
PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense. President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.
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People are quick to judge the "strategic blunder" that the Iran war might be.
Here is a little secret: the by far biggest strategical blunder of the Iran war IS already materializing, thats the patronizing attitude of Merz Starmer Macron and others against the US.
OSINTtechnical@Osinttechnical
Trump will discuss the U.S. withdrawing from NATO with Secretary General Rutte today.
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@OceanSpray2 Iran is dus in de afgelopen 9 maanden 2 x ontdaan van z'n atoomprogramma? Dat is jou verhaal? 🤣
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Gijs en Wierd slaan de spijker op z’n kop. Iran is ontdaan van z’n atoomprogramma. Dat is veel waard. De EU had dat nooit voor elkaar gekregen. #vandaaginside
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@Allesopdemotor @ajboekestijn Je claimt meer te weten zonder de behoefte te voelen om uit te leggen wat je meer/beter weet. Toegevoegde waarde? 0!
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@ajboekestijn Ik heb het idee dat je helemaal niets weet van Iran en alles uit je duim zuigt.
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De diaspora van Iran voelt zich bedrogen door Trump.
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@Marco_van_loon @ajboekestijn Kortom het plan van de VS is zegenend? Wat een dom gelul.
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@ajboekestijn Trump heeft geen plan, hoor ik steeds.
Welke plan had Nederland / de EU voor de Iraniërs de afgelopen 47 jaar?
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@gringo504 @LisjeB @RasmusJarlov They most likely gained that tech from the shahed deal with Russia back in 2023. 😑
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@Pjotfull @LisjeB @RasmusJarlov Iran literally has ballistic missiles (with nukes very near developed).that can reach Europe. You guys have lost your minds.
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Nobody in Europe cares any longer what he says. It was a big mistake to agree to the ridiculously unfair trade deal that he demanded last year. Since then Europe has learned that the unreasonable demands just keep coming and never stop. So we just ignore it or say no, and he is not going to do anything about it.
He is an old man yelling at clouds, and we dont care.
Savchenko Volodymyr@SavchenkoReview
🇺🇸🇪🇺❗️Der Spiegel: Trump has effectively given Europe an ultimatum: within days, they must commit actual military forces—like warships—to the Strait of Hormuz.
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@LisjeB @RasmusJarlov The Russo-Ukrainian war shows a kill zone lapping the strait of Hormuz. Trump is power playing Europe because his own navy is refusing the order.
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@Pjotfull @RasmusJarlov They will find a reason, closing the strait can already warped into one for starters.
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@LisjeB @RasmusJarlov Only a few have the constitution to support a war of aggression. It all looks so simple from a distance but all who join Trump literally join the dark side.
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@RasmusJarlov Trust me most countries are going to help I hate it too but the generations before us got us in this position and it will take a decade or 2 to climb ourselves out of servitude
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@CaptainKoussi @MrsPatmore2022 Please do tell me about our immigrant problem from a distance. 😋
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@MrsPatmore2022 You're already lost, under a terrible immigrant problem, rampant liberalism, and just being weak in general. Without the United States, you'd be walked on by actual first world countries.
You should be thanking us, I promise you, after seeing how gay you people are, we want out.
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If any European country agrees to help Trump in Iran, Europe is lost.
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@AENO98 @HermesSlim I never voted on him but i do consider him the best politician I have ever seen. The way he surfed through the Covid crisis as Prime minister was like looking at Bobby Farrel dancing his way through it all. 😁
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@HermesSlim Kanske men är inte säker på att inställsamt smicker och lågaffektivt bemötande är rätt väg. Tror Trump ser det som en inbjudan till fortsatt mobbning.
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@FLASHGLADDING @torbenmarkp My country (the Netherlands) holds 36 billion US bonds. Again, which part of Santa doesn't exist didn't you get?
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Yes lol. That’s actually what happened.
Yall are so simple. We did the right thing at the time….. for us!
Just because we helped Europe rebuild, doesn’t mean we did it purely out of benevolence. We did it because Europe was our greatest ally and we needed them to be rebuilt so we could have allies for security and trade you imbecile.
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If the US don’t need NATO, then why is Trump acting like a big cry-baby, begging for help, and complaining when he doesn’t get it?
Can anyone explain that?
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@steven_braham Ach het is Rutte. Trump kan hem honderd keer zeggen dat de VS uit de NAVO stapt, Rutte zal er strategisch even 'geen actieve herinnering' aan overhouden, en een dag of wat wachten totdat Trump weer van mening is veranderd en claimt de NAVO zelf uitgevonden te hebben.
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Hoop dat dit gesprek goed afloopt 🫠
Polymarket@Polymarket
JUST IN: White House says Trump will discuss NATO withdrawal with Mark Rutte.
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@FLASHGLADDING @torbenmarkp Yeah right. Out of the greater good and moral superiority the USA took Europe under its wing and provided safety with US tax dollars? Which part of Santa doesn't exist didn't you get?
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The US created NATO to help protect Europe and let rebuild post WW2. We used NATO as a deterrent to win the Cold War. It was useful to US foreign policy then.
The Soviet Union is gone and Europe is rebuilt. The only reason we maintained the relationship at this point was for power projection and logistics. If Europe is going to deny those benefit to the US there is no reason to maintain it. Many in the US have wanted out of NATO for a long time. Europeans just recently gave their argument a ton of weight. Now it’s just a matter of time.
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@Cthulhu4Prez Oh boy. I think the battle for Thula Air Base is going to cost lots of US lives. 🤣
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The Americans will seize Groenland around August or September I think.
It needs to be after the 250th independence celebrations and the World Cup so as to not taint the PR.
But it will be beneficial either way :
- swift victory will ensure support for the midterms after the Iran fiasco
- if the American people gets agitated about it : declare state of emergency and cancel the elections.
No downsides in any configuration.
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@rushicrypto They left when they questioned art 5 before it was invoked. 🤓
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@FLASHGLADDING @torbenmarkp The US created NATO to gain supervision, projection of power and a marketplace for their military system. If you think the US taxpayers have been ripped of by NATO you kinda say your country has been led by fools all these years. Are you saying that?
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Because the US doesn’t take the decision of leaving NATO lightly although you all seem to think Trump is just reckless and non-calculating.
Like Rubio said in Munich, we are rebuilding the western alliance in a strong and unapologetic way and we want to do this WITH our European allies. We will do it alone if we must but we’d rather do it with Europe.
But either way we are no longer going to be polite and orderly caretakers of the West’s managed decline
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@habibur @Mohsin_o2 Art 5 is questioned even before it is invoked. The US already killed NATO and Europe knows.
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@Mohsin_o2 No. Only removing troops. And that's to move them to the middle east for the upcoming 3rd war against Iran.
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@wowlootwoot @amuse @carryonkeith I presume you gonna supply these 11 modern Strike Groups from mainland USA? 🤣
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@Pjotfull @amuse @carryonkeith Consequences? The US didn't have 11 modern Carrier Strike Groups in 1949.
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Has anyone pointed out that the current NATO Secretary General might not be fit for office?
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