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@RalphInUEFA I'll be annoyed by it but the focus is on the final
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Sam@Sam__SFC·
Not the best outcome for #SaintsFC should it transpire but certainly not the worst
slbsn@slbsn

🚨🤓 Southampton Spygate personal view: 1. Expect the breaches will be straightforward to establish (ie liability) and almost certainly admitted to try and get some sanction credit/discount 2. Expect aggravating factors such as other examples of Soton spying this year to be raised 3. Fundamental question of how serious a breach of rule 127 and good faith is will be key. We know good faith alone was £200k in the Leeds case. The new rule makes it worse and spying obviously seeks a sporting advantage - why else do it? So that does point to sporting sanction of some sort 4. Being thrown out of the Play Offs appears excessive especially given Southampton finished 7 points clear of 6th and 9 clear of 7th 5. A 3-0 in the first leg would have been an option again excessive retrospectively unless 2nd leg re-playable (not feasible) 6. More likely sanction is points deduction next season in the Championship as much as that won't help Middlesboro 7. Unlikely that the PL will take a points deduction recommendation from the EFL (no fixed rule) - doubt EFL will push for it, so would apply in first season back in Championship (when and if) 8. My best guess is SIX EFL points in first season in EFL and £500k-£1m fine 9. Boro compensation claim can be dealt with separately subject to any claim brought by Boro - difficult claim to establish due to causation issues

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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@Sam__SFC Mad to say we will be relieved if it’s just a 6 point deduction and a seven figure fine. 😂
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Sam
Sam@Sam__SFC·
@RalphInUEFA Yeah ultimately given expulsion seems a possibility I'm going to find it hard to get too angry about a punishment that lets Saturday go ahead and mean something, even if I think it's outrageous (which this would be). Save it for if we lose and have to deal with it
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@justcalledtosay @slbsn And Saints and their lawyers would deal with the consequences of that. Ultimately him having a paddy doesn’t mean there is a legal basis for it
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M@justcalledtosay·
@slbsn If that plays out, Steve Gibson is going to lose his shit. Expect him to throw everything he has at litigation.
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slbsn@slbsn·
🚨🤓 Southampton Spygate personal view: 1. Expect the breaches will be straightforward to establish (ie liability) and almost certainly admitted to try and get some sanction credit/discount 2. Expect aggravating factors such as other examples of Soton spying this year to be raised 3. Fundamental question of how serious a breach of rule 127 and good faith is will be key. We know good faith alone was £200k in the Leeds case. The new rule makes it worse and spying obviously seeks a sporting advantage - why else do it? So that does point to sporting sanction of some sort 4. Being thrown out of the Play Offs appears excessive especially given Southampton finished 7 points clear of 6th and 9 clear of 7th 5. A 3-0 in the first leg would have been an option again excessive retrospectively unless 2nd leg re-playable (not feasible) 6. More likely sanction is points deduction next season in the Championship as much as that won't help Middlesboro 7. Unlikely that the PL will take a points deduction recommendation from the EFL (no fixed rule) - doubt EFL will push for it, so would apply in first season back in Championship (when and if) 8. My best guess is SIX EFL points in first season in EFL and £500k-£1m fine 9. Boro compensation claim can be dealt with separately subject to any claim brought by Boro - difficult claim to establish due to causation issues
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@Sam__SFC Yea but people are out for blood at this point. I fully expect an outcome no one is satisfied with and ultimately as long as we are allowed to play the game on the 23rd we will just accept it.
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Sam
Sam@Sam__SFC·
@RalphInUEFA Not sure I agree. Either we've done it to others in which case we'd be lucky to get away with a deduction really or we haven't, in which case six points feels draconian
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Gary Stonehouse
Gary Stonehouse@garystonehouse·
@RalphInUEFA 92.1 was the loophole if part of the proceedings. Now stood up they aren’t part of the proceedings. Therefore, any Boro appeal or further action would be via separate legal proceedings against either the EFL or Southampton once the case has been concluded.
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Alfie House
Alfie House@AlfieHouseEcho·
Once again, I don't think this changes much but glad tickets are on sale soon. EFL have no choice but to leave options open for independent commission. Interesting that the statement includes specific mention of contingencies to allow 'appeals process' if needed tho. #SaintsFC
Alfie House@AlfieHouseEcho

🚨 The EFL have confirmed that changes could be made to the Championship play-off final, set for 4.30pm on Saturday, May 23, pending the outcome of the disciplinary panel. They advise fans to pay attention to T&Cs when ticket info posted today. #SaintsFC dailyecho.co.uk/sport/26107759…

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Sean Doherty@SdohertySean·
@RalphInUEFA It is not up to the Efl at that stage as it had been passed to the commission. Equally, Southampton could have admitted immediately before the first leg and argued purely on mitigation and sanction.
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
Key point people aren’t acknowledging. The EFL knew about the allegations before the first leg and we had allegedly accepted them before the second. In that case the EFL didn’t see it as serious enough to stop either fixture going ahead. That has to go in our favour? #saintsfc
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@Yate5y Depends really what can be proven. If it’s a one off and that’s all that can be shown probably not. If has happened throughout the season that’s another can of worms. But no other club has raised a complaint.
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☠️@Yate5y·
@RalphInUEFA I think clubs have a case regardless of what happens. I think we will soon see an updated version of these rules with penalties listed 😂
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@SmoggyBalboa There’s absolutely shit stirring going on. Luke edwards exaggerated “professional grade sports Equiptment” they exaggerate Boro’s role in the process. They exaggerate the likelihood of the final being postponed. This has not been reported on responsibly at all.
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Smoggy Balboa
Smoggy Balboa@SmoggyBalboa·
@RalphInUEFA There isn't any shit stirring... theres reporting of the news, and Southampton fans refusing to accept the obvious reality.
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
You know what pisses me off. The shit stirring from journalists is so irresponsible and terrible for the each set of fans from Saints, Boro and Hull. Just let the process play out and stop promoting horseshit scenarios. The final isn’t going to be moved. #saintsfc #boro #HCAFC
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@AlexCam04 Cool. Not relevant to my post mind.
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@the_real_gart Yes. But the way they report it is as though it’s a likely outcome. It really isn’t imo.
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Gart@the_real_gart·
@RalphInUEFA Promoting the facts is an issue for you? The final could be moved, that’s from the EFL, not the media.
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@Yate5y Yew they we’re definitely gambling on you winning.
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@Yate5y True but Hull also have a case if opponents change late in the day. Unless they move al the final which is a logistical nightmare and not fair to the fans. Plus if they kick us out Wrexham and derby potentially have cases. This is all such a mess.
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Phil Rice
Phil Rice@philiptigerrice·
@RalphInUEFA Perhaps - but its clearly not the nuclear option some are making it out to be and is a possibility.
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@AnonForestWolf Disagree. Means the final almost certainly can’t be played on the Saturday which is a logistical nightmare.
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ForestWolf
ForestWolf@AnonForestWolf·
@RalphInUEFA Nope. Just makes any sanction on Soton easier for the EFL since it cuts out others like Wrexham who otherwise might have been asked to step in replace Soton.
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@philiptigerrice Many years ago under completely different circumstances. Hardly relevant
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Phil Rice@philiptigerrice·
@RalphInUEFA They kicked Swindon out AFTER they won their olay off final.. 😏💅
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
I reckon this is probably an arse covering exercise from The EFL. If the hearing is taking place on the 19th they aren’t gunna kick us out 4 days before the final. That would cause pandemonium. #saintsfc
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@boroboy151 Have to see. Two of the alleged clubs involved have already denied it.
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Martin Crow
Martin Crow@boroboy151·
@RalphInUEFA They didn’t know about the other allegations until more recently which is the crucial issue. If it’s found SFC were spying repeatedly that changes everything.
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Hüt@RalphInUEFA·
@trevorcarsadm @su4eranio Because saints won a semi final to play in the final. The oppouurtunity cost in removing them is massive and disproportionate to a single breach of rule 127.
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