@Bobini2 @ForrestPKnight Why is it a bad thing?
It will be open source when jblow release his game
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@Revenode @ForrestPKnight My complaint is that it's a closed compiler with a closed beta.
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Most of the Zig "hate" I've seen is just fun n' games. But even so, having an anti-Zig stance is completely understandable.
- still in beta after 10 years, unstable
- break code almost every release (wonder if they'll rewrite I/O again, again)
- anti-ai policy regardless of code quality
- good PRs blocked due to that policy
- moving off GitHub with a holier-than-thou attitude... while the engineering reasons were understandable, the political bookending was nonsense
- call GitHub engineers monkeys and losers then backtrack when you receive backlash
- their whole comptime duck typing thing is rough. no traits, no interfaces, errors buried in generic bodies. good luck to ya.
Zig's largest user has to fork Zig to ship at a reasonable pace, and when they try to push a change with 4x faster debug compilation, Zig doesn't accept it.
So let's not pretend the Zig "hate" is unwarranted. There are plenty of reasons for it.
Mitchell Hashimoto@mitchellh
It isn't unexpected that the focus of the Bun Rust rewrite is on the anti-Zig side more than anything, since the internet loves to hate. What is unexpected and unfortunate is that leadership within Bun hasn't tried to steer the conversation away from that at all. There are so many positive and interesting takeaways from this and I'm not really seeing any of them pushed as the primary message. A positive thing that hasn't been talked about at all is how far Bun came thanks to Zig. And even if you dump it now, its meaningful for how good Zig was to even build a product to this point and impact by any metric. I would've loved to see anyone in leadership say this. On the interesting side is how fungible programming languages are nowadays. Programming languages used to be LOCK IN, and they're increasingly not so. You think the Bun rewrite in Rust is good for Rust? Bun has shown they can be in probably any language they want in roughly a week or two. Rust is expendable. Its useful until its not then it can be thrown out. That's interesting! There's been a lot of talk about memory safety and no doubt Rust provides more guarantees than Zig. But I'd love to see a better analysis of why Bun in particular suffered so much rather than take the language-blame path. How could engineering as a practice been more rigorous to prevent this? What were the largest sources of crashes other programs should watch out for? How does Rust prevent them? How could Zig theoretically prevent them? That's interesting. I know the official blog post hasn't come out yet from Bun. But they're smart enough to know that that PR would stir up controversy the moment it opened, or they should've been. And plenty in the company have been tweeting and writing about it. Its somewhat telling to me in various dimensions what they chose to talk about first. I tend to think I'm pretty good at corporate PR/comms (especially when it comes to developer audiences) and I think appealing to the negative is never the right long term strategy; it does work to get short term eyes though.
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@exvillager github.com/re-utils/runti…
Its an ahead of time compiler for eval()
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@Bobini2 @ForrestPKnight Then whats your conplain?
Im mentioning Jai there
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@Revenode @ForrestPKnight >There is a language that also has been in private beta forever and nobody complains ab it
I do.
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@TimApplebj @ForrestPKnight As long as it works for them i dont really care
But Bun should not frame it like bcuz zig doesnt allow AI contribution
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@Revenode @ForrestPKnight the compiler fork is actually a perfect example of a slop PR. elevated slop
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@ForrestPKnight I agree with the last 3 points
The other ones:
- There is a language that also has been in private beta forever and nobody complains ab it
- its kind of the point of beta
- How many good AI PRs do they get compared to the number of slop PRs?
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@Revenode that's fair. but remove that and point still stands
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@oubagaku @loveryteks They did something before
I think there is a script that waits for 5s before loading anything if your user agent is not chrome
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@loveryteks it would just randomly hang, not an internet thing cause it was loaded properly
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Github: github.com/zerozshare/Ope…
Release: github.com/zerozshare/Ope…
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Minecraft Java has finally received its own Friends system and added Easy Multiplayer as well Bedrock has had these features for almost a decade
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@kevin_miguet @timsoret Creating his own language benefits him way more long term
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@timsoret The game looks like nothing else I saw before but I don't understand how creating his own language from scratch is not over-engineering and a huge waste of energy
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Jonathan Blow's new game is going to be a new another clever masterpiece.
Interestingly, it's made with a custom engine coded in Jai, a new programming language he invented. It's not a scripting layer like LUA, it's a full C/C++ replacement.
Exceptional craftsmanship.
Jonathan Blow@Jonathan_Blow
Something we've been working on...
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It isn't unexpected that the focus of the Bun Rust rewrite is on the anti-Zig side more than anything, since the internet loves to hate. What is unexpected and unfortunate is that leadership within Bun hasn't tried to steer the conversation away from that at all.
There are so many positive and interesting takeaways from this and I'm not really seeing any of them pushed as the primary message.
A positive thing that hasn't been talked about at all is how far Bun came thanks to Zig. And even if you dump it now, its meaningful for how good Zig was to even build a product to this point and impact by any metric. I would've loved to see anyone in leadership say this.
On the interesting side is how fungible programming languages are nowadays. Programming languages used to be LOCK IN, and they're increasingly not so. You think the Bun rewrite in Rust is good for Rust? Bun has shown they can be in probably any language they want in roughly a week or two. Rust is expendable. Its useful until its not then it can be thrown out. That's interesting!
There's been a lot of talk about memory safety and no doubt Rust provides more guarantees than Zig. But I'd love to see a better analysis of why Bun in particular suffered so much rather than take the language-blame path. How could engineering as a practice been more rigorous to prevent this? What were the largest sources of crashes other programs should watch out for? How does Rust prevent them? How could Zig theoretically prevent them? That's interesting.
I know the official blog post hasn't come out yet from Bun. But they're smart enough to know that that PR would stir up controversy the moment it opened, or they should've been. And plenty in the company have been tweeting and writing about it. Its somewhat telling to me in various dimensions what they chose to talk about first.
I tend to think I'm pretty good at corporate PR/comms (especially when it comes to developer audiences) and I think appealing to the negative is never the right long term strategy; it does work to get short term eyes though.
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@victorbayas @saltyAom Sure its not in the language spec but u can use worker in most js runtime atm so i would consider it a language feature
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@saltyAom The problem with JS is that it runs on a single process, it’s just an event loop
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Never ask:
- a woman her age
- a man his salary
- a programmer why they stopped their database project after the storage engine but before the query planner
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@Revenode On idle:
RAM: ~980MB
CPU: 1%-3%
While Opening Zen browser(I dont use Chrome) :
RAM: ~1.59 GIB
CPU: ~34%
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Lo peor es que no pueden apreciar la velocidad real(el video no esta a 60 fps).
Imagina usar un OS y que el gestor de archivos no se ejecute en una milésima de segundo.
Low_level_Developer@im_a_GDeveloper
Hace unos días empecé a usar mangowm y me encanta la cantidad de layouts que tiene. (No se fijen en el fondo de pantalla, es temporal, estaba probando awww)
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