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Revhappy

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Katılım Temmuz 2023
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@kendheswapnil It seems Dezerv started this vehicle. Mind blowing, I never thought such an asset vehicle could even exist. So what does MF only PMS do? Take client money and invest in MFs. This is what MFDs did before but they did it with regular plans. Now they will do with direct plans.
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VivekTaru@kendheswapnil·
Where Are the Customers' Yachts?
Neil Borate@ActusDei

SEBI's PMS consultation paper today is arguably the biggest structural shake up proposed for India's wealth management industry in a long long time. If you're a Portfolio Manager, this is a gift. If you're an RIA, read this closely, because your addressable market is about to get squeezed. First, the scale of the industry being regulated. PMS AUM has grown from ₹18.07 lakh crore (April 2019) to ₹42.61 lakh crore (May 2026), more than 2.3x. Clients have grown from 1.5 lakh to 2.19 lakh, and registered portfolio managers have more than doubled, from 226 to 515. This is a large, fast growing, increasingly retail adjacent industry, and SEBI is rewriting the rulebook to match. Why this is a big bonus for PMS players: 1) A brand new "MF only PMS" (MF-PMS) category with dramatically lower entry barriers. Minimum client ticket size cut from ₹50 lakh to ₹25 lakh. Minimum net worth for registration cut from ₹5 crore to ₹2 crore. 2) Principal Officer certification simplified to a graduation degree plus two years' market experience plus NISM certification, no elevated qualification bar. 3) Additional employee and dedicated dealing room become optional. 4) Disclosure document format simplified. 5) No exit load restrictions. 6) And fees: a flat management fee up to 2.5% of AUM, plus the ability to also charge a performance fee with client consent. This is a huge widening of who can become a portfolio manager. Smaller RIAs, boutique wealth advisors, and independent professionals who were priced out of the ₹5 crore net worth and ₹50 lakh ticket size PMS world can now enter at less than half the capital and half the client minimum, while keeping discretionary control and a richer fee structure than pure advisory. A materially expanded investment universe. 1) "To be listed" securities now explicitly permitted. Discretionary PMS can now invest up to 10% of AUM in investment grade unlisted debt, previously banned for DPMS entirely. 2) Foreign securities, listed equity, listed debt, and overseas mutual funds or REITs, now permitted for both DPMS and NDPMS, bringing PMS to parity with Mutual Funds, AIFs and IFSC based managers who already had this access. 3) Exchange traded derivatives materially loosened too: total exposure up to 1.25x of AUM, unhedged short exposure via equity derivatives up to 50% of AUM, options exposure capped at 10% of AUM. 4) Real compliance easing. Dealing room requirement relaxed entirely for portfolio managers with fewer than 10 clients or AUM below ₹100 crore. 5) Disclosure documents can go fully digital. Filing timelines relaxed from 7 working days to 10 calendar days. Net worth definition now includes securities premium reserve. 6) POA requirements may be relaxed to ease client transitions between managers. Demat account portability is being floated to kill repeat KYC when clients switch PMS providers. For anyone running or planning to run a PMS, this paper reads like a wish list. Why this is a big problem for RIA license holders: RIAs operate under the SEBI Investment Advisers Regulations, which come with real structural constraints PMS and MF-PMS won't face. RIAs generally cannot take discretionary control over client assets, they can only advise, leaving execution to the client. Fee collection is another challenge - it is automatic in PMS. In RIA, you have to raise a bill that clients are reluctant to pay. Now look at what MF-PMS does to that model. A client with ₹25 lakh, squarely in the segment RIAs have built their business around advising on mutual fund portfolios, can now hand full discretionary control of that same portfolio to an MF-PMS, which can charge up to 2.5% fixed management fee plus a performance fee. That's a more lucrative and more hands off proposition for the client than paying an RIA an advisory fee and then executing the recommendations yourself. SEBI has effectively created a structurally lower cost of entry, higher fee flexibility, discretionary competitor sitting directly on top of the exact client segment (₹25 to 50 lakh, mutual fund centric, mass affluent) that the RIA regime was originally designed to serve. Add the broader PMS expansion into foreign securities, unlisted debt and derivatives, categories RIAs can only advise on in a limited, non discretionary way, and the product shelf gap between PMS/MF-PMS and RIAs widens further. This is likely to become one of the more contentious threads in the public comment process, due August 13, 2026. Expect RIA industry bodies to push back on the MF-PMS ticket size or fee structure, or ask for reciprocal easing of RIA fee and discretion rules to level the field. As for MFDs - expect lots of them to launch these MF-only PMSes and shift clients interested in direct plans to them.

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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@cbe_sam @bhatnaturally I know someone who says they dont like social media. He is not on whatsapp, not on FB or Instagram. But then when I see in LinkedIn, he keeps liking posts of other people. I wonder what is the point? Isnt Linked In the fakest of all social media networks?
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Alan@cbe_sam·
@bhatnaturally I've stopped using insta & Facebook. It's just WhatsApp and I mute all the groups and individuals except close family, friends & client leaderships.
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bhatnaturally  🇮🇳@bhatnaturally·
Meta platforms have us by our nuts. I can be away from Facebook without a problem. Have rarely opened it last few months. WhatsApp is useful for messages, e-commerce notifications and groups. It impossible to stay away from it but difficult. Instagram is addictive depending on what the timeline feeds you - timepass fun Reels are good entertainment but can be mind numbing. Don’t think I will miss much if I choose to stay away from it
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@kendheswapnil Well, this is the latest logic. Just 3-4 years back the logic was "Nifty 50 is 75% of the total marketcap, small caps are risky, so we dont need them. Nifty 50 is sufficient". Then it changed to Nifty 50 +Nifty Next 50 is 50:50 proportion. Now nobody talks about Nifty next 50.
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VivekTaru@kendheswapnil·
If you are holding Nifty, Next 50, Midcap 150 and Smallcap 250, and the allocation among these was arbitrarily decided based on which segment of the market you feel will perform better, you are doing active investing using passive products. Passive investing is holding the entire market in proportion to free-float market capitalisation. Active investing is perfectly fine, but don't confuse it with passive investing just because you are using passive products.
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@vijaimantrimf ...Not high income stressful job. So sangharsh shuru mein karna chahiye, ek baar FI hone ke baad enjoy karna chahiye job ko.
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@vijaimantrimf This is partly correct. The biggest advantage of FIRE is that it allows you to pursue your purpose without bringing money into the equation. I became Financially independent and I am still working on IT, but it is individual contributor average income interesting job...
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vijaimantri@vijaimantrimf·
Does FIRE guys live happier life? Guys who play golf in afternoon or party endlessly or indulge in comforts or stop working are not necessarily the happiest lot. Endless indulgence without struggle of life are not the real pleasures but slow death. (1/3)
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@Keshav_Lohiaaa You are taking the average which is the mistake. There are enough rich people in Mumbai who are willing to buy at the same price as New York. In fact the demand supply situation is worse in Mumbai than New York.
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Keshav Lohia@Keshav_Lohiaaa·
Things that don’t make any sense: Coffee, matcha and movie prices are the same in New York and Mumbai. How can a market with 3x less disposable income/propensity be priced the same?
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@deepakshenoy I bought this car 6 months ago for 1.5Lakhs. Buying a brand new car is a stupid decision in India financially. The amount we pay in taxes is just insane. Add to that the E20 uncertainty. Instead be smart and get a used gem for a good deal.
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@deepakshenoy As a tangent, since global investing has been trending in India last couple of years, as a side effect, imagine what that has done to NRIs. They were sending money to India, now they are also stopping and investing globally. Imagine the effect on flows. moneycontrol.com/news/business/…
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Deepak Shenoy
Deepak Shenoy@deepakshenoy·
Since the government made Foreign Portfolio investments into government securities tax free, more than 53,000 cr. has been added to FPI ownership of GSecs.
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Sarath@nsarathc·
@think_in_points 10km is almost like next door. At least in our metro cities.
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Arjun | Think In Points
Arjun | Think In Points@think_in_points·
If there was a D-Mart close to my home, I'd probably do most of my grocery shopping there instead of Amazon, Flipkart, Blinkit or Zepto. The prices are very competitive. Even without accelerated rewards, I feel the lower prices more than make up for the extra accelerated RPs I'd earn elsewhere. I can simply pay with a credit card, earn the base rewards, and still come out ahead. The only reason I don't shop there more often is convenience. D-Mart isn't close enough and is a 10km drive from my place.
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@cbe_sam I would take it further, being IC at even 1/3rd pay is worth it than being a manager. I stayed IC lowest level and slacked in my job, but I used geo arbitrage and worked in Singapore for 16 years. 1yr working in Singapore = 2 years in India. That's the way to do it.
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@ravihanda If you see any videos from the 1990s India you will notice how thin and malnourished people were. Prosperity for the 1st generation always leads to more sugar and fried food intake. We need a few more generations of prosperity to realize the importance of diet and excercise
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@ravihanda Yes indeed. Earning money and becoming financially independent actually makes it more difficult to control weight, what do you do with all the free time, eat and drink.
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Ravi Handa
Ravi Handa@ravihanda·
You can become rich in only two ways: Earn more money Marry someone who does Reading about the stock market is as futile as eating pakodas and reading the article behind it.
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@nsarathc This shameless fellow is still called on tv interviews and he gives gyan, like a know it all. He called large caps as dinosaurs who will not grow anymore.
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@_RishiPradhan @growth_edge_ FDs donot scale beyond like 20-30L, it becomes a nightmare to manage them, splitting across banks, renewing etc. Debt funds are far better to manage even multiple crores of corpus.
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Rishi Pradhan@_RishiPradhan·
@growth_edge_ In what situations would you personally prefer a debt fund over an FD, assuming both have similar expected returns?
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GrowthEdge@growth_edge_·
The biggest difference between an FD and a debt fund: 🏦 FD promises a fixed return. 📊 Debt funds target returns—they don't promise them. That's why both have different roles in a portfolio.
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Revhappy@RevhappyBack·
@growth_edge_ Debt fund is made up of bonds who also promise fixed returns. But the bonds trade on the exchange, hence they have a daily fluctuating price and possibility of capital gain/loss. FDs interest accrue linearly and you can sell them at more predictable price minus the penalty
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Shobhit Shrivastava@shri_shobhit·
At this point, can’t Anthropic just know who the world’s best programmers are?
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indianviking@indianviking1·
Most overhyped and overpriced chocolates which even Americans don’t buy inspite of grandpa of Omaha selling them at each annual meeting.
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Nikhil Kamath@nikhilkamathcio·
Did you know your ₹100 in the bank isn’t sitting in a vault? It’s lent, spent, and re-deposited within hours. One printed ₹100 turns into ₹500 across the economy. Banks decide how much. India runs this slower than the rest of the world. 50% credit-to-GDP against a global 148%. On purpose. The instinct was built in 1969 and never left. It’s the shield that kept India out of 2008. It’s also the ceiling. You can’t fully have one without the other..
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Gurmeet Chadha@connectgurmeet·
Met an old friend from mortgages. He shared this- in this correction he took a home loan top up for 1 cr at 7.5% for 20 years & invested in MF & stocks. His maths- total interest paid on loan over 20 years is 1.1 cr Value of 1 cr at 12-14% after 20 years is 11-14cr. Personally against leverage but the maths looks interesting!
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Sourav@Dutta_Souravd·
At what networth can you afford a ₹50L car?
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