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Biblical salvation is a covenant relationship, not a transaction. It encompasses the entire marriage living in faithful communion not just reciting the vows.

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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
Dear believers, Galatians was NOT an argument against the requirement of “GOOD WORKS” from Christians, it was an argument for “INCLUSIVITY” of all people in God’s family! Paul was arguing against Christian Judaizers who wanted to make it a requirement for Gentile Christians to become of Jewish identity to be justified, which automatically included “works of the law”, which were the markers of such identity: circumcision, food laws, sabbath, that separated them from other groups people. Why did Paul rebuke Peter in Galatians 2, was it because Peter tried to do “good works” to get justified? No! It was because Peter separated himself from the table of the Gentile Christians to compel them to live like the Jews to get justified (food laws, 2:11-16). The point of Galatians was that God’s covenant is now INCLUSIVE to ALL people, not just the Jews, so that the promise made to Abraham by God that he would be the father of all nations (gentiles) could be fulfilled (3:6-9). For there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, we are all one in Christ Jesus (3:28). So when Paul explained: “for as many as are of the “works of the law” are under a curse, for it is written “cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things that are written in the book of the law to do them (3:10)””, Paul was emphasizing that if one has to become of Jewish identity in addition to faith in Christ to become justified, then he has to keep the entire law of Moses, and he has rejected the fulfillment of the law of Moses by Christ (5:1-4). Paul was NOT arguing that if any Christian does good works out of obligation that he now has rejected Christ and is under a curse! That’s a great misreading and misquoting of Paul!!! For Paul then immediately emphasized the requirement for Christians to live a holy life and to live by the Spirit and not by the lust of the flesh (4:8-9, 5:16-26, 6:12-16), for those who live by the lust of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God (5:21). Those who yield and are led by the Spirit are NOT UNDER THE LAW (5:18)!!! Galatians being about inclusivity is clearly proven by context in 2:11-16, 3:6-10, 3:13-14, 3:25-29, 5:1-6, 5:11-12, 6:12-16. Can one please provide evidence of context of Galatians being an argument against requirement of “good works”? It does not exist! So here’s your take way, Paul did NOT say if you think you have to do good works then you have to keep the whole law of Moses and you reject God’s grace, but rather that if you think that you have to become a Jew then you have to keep the whole law and you reject God’s grace. Big difference!!! Don’t let anyone misquote God’s Word!
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RollyCity@Rolly7City·
@HoldenCCole Baptism is one aspect of faith, it did not save by itself
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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
Yes, Paul is essentially saying: 1) IF one has to become of Jewish identity by adopting works of the law which are the markers of Jewish identity and include circumcision, food laws, sabbath, 2) THEN he has to keep the entire law of Moses like Jesus did in order to get justified, and he has rejected Christs sacrifice, and he has cursed himself for no one could keep the law of Moses but Jesus. Paul WAS NOT saying that if one who is in Christ thinks that he has to obey the teachings and the law of Christ then he has something to boast about and has rejected Christ’s sacrifice. That’s a colossal misunderstanding. Romans 4 is essentially Galatians 5:2-3. Paul was arguing against the requirement of adoption of Jewish identity for the Gentiles Christians, and not against the requirement of Christians to obey Jesus’s teachings, they are and Paul is extremely explicit about it. Don’t believe me? Read Romans 3:27-29 with close attention to v29, and Romans 4:9-16, with v16 being the conclusion of Romans so far. What is the theme in those passages? What is the conclusion? One does not have to earn salvation or one does not have to become Jewish? Inclusion is the topic and not some don’t try to earn your way to heaven theme.
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Dar☦︎h Geeoff ☧
Dar☦︎h Geeoff ☧@GeoffKlein3·
Romans 4; What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Ha ha even St. Peter said St. Paul was hard to understand. Paul is arguing against the idea that a person must do works of the Mosaic Law. Check Romans 6; Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?”
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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
@HisBloodSaves Why do you separate faith and works? Faith includes works, faith without works is not faith it’s just mental ascent.
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Amazing Grace ✝️
Amazing Grace ✝️@HisBloodSaves·
Your “many wonderful works” won’t get you into Heaven. God is pleased with our faith in His Son (Hebrews 11:6) who accomplished everything necessary to save our souls from sin and death (John 19:30, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Romans 4:25). Trust what Jesus did alone, not what you do.
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Thomas Dandom
Thomas Dandom@TDandom1341·
@virtualhistoria @Rolly7City @ImBaIL_ @YeFutureSaint Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Guess Paul went astray
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Steve
Steve@virtualhistoria·
@Rolly7City @ImBaIL_ @YeFutureSaint Very good point. There are definitely tied together. And in scripture they are often used almost interchangeably when discussing salvation. I think anyone who claims faith is not in any way related to works has gone astray in their learning.
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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
@Seas_Velez @RaymondArroyo @IngrahamAngle What if I told you that the verses you quoted are not talking about what you think they’re talking about? Would you rather know the truth of God’s word or would you choose the cultural tradition?
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Velez J Seas
Velez J Seas@Seas_Velez·
The Pope doesn’t even know the Bible. It’s like the blind leading the blind. BY GRACE ALONE THROUGH FAITH NOT WORKS Ephesians 2:8-9 Galatians 3:3 (KJV) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Galatians 2:16 (KJV) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Romans 11:6 (KJV) And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Galatians 3:2 (KJV) This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
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Raymond Arroyo
Raymond Arroyo@RaymondArroyo·
Did the Vatican bestow an honor on Iran? Sort of… whatever it was- I consider it diplomatic malfeasance. Here’s a bit of tonight’s @IngrahamAngle:
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Steve@virtualhistoria·
@ImBaIL_ @YeFutureSaint But it is correct that in most situations, true faith necessarily leads to works. If it does not, then there may be an issue with your faith.
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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
@USAtoast @GuyJackson777 Why do you think that faith and works are opposite? What if I told you faith means believe and works of obedience?
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Jordan Knight
Jordan Knight@USAtoast·
@GuyJackson777 Independent Baptists are not reformed. Many of them criticize Luther and especially Calvin. I've come across Baptists and even Lutherans who disagree with both their "faith is never alone" theology, which implies works are necessary for salvation. They're rare but they exist.
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saved guy🩸✝️
saved guy🩸✝️@GuyJackson777·
Ecumenism is catholic The world is ecumenical Jesus is not ecumenical You don't believe in Jesus if you are ecumenical You believe in the world's version of Jesus The world's version of Jesus doesn't save The catholic version of Jesus doesn't save Most people are catholic
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Akirale Torimaki (明レ 鳥巻 | アキラレ トリマキ)
@TreVeyonH4 If you believe & trust exclusively in that Gospel of Salvation, you are not only saved, you are sealed by the Holy Spirit (in other words, you can’t lose your salvation). It is NOT by the works of the Law, nor is it by works of righteousness, it is simply by grace through faith.
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TreVeyon Henderson
TreVeyon Henderson@TreVeyonH4·
Open the eyes of our hearts Lord. Let us desire to see you for who you truly are and what you truly desire. “Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God.” Matthew 5:8
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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
Romans 4 is not talking about any good works to “earn salvation” but rather works of the law or Jewish identity markers, including circumcision food laws and sabbath. We’re saved by faith apart from Jewish identity lest any Jew should boast of his genetic lineage in Abraham (Romans 3:27-29). The good works is a misunderstanding from 14-16 centuries
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Tyrion Lannister
Tyrion Lannister@ScubaDocJMP·
@redeemed_St @JimSanoBC79 @Truth_matters20 Re: Rom 4, Abraham’s Justification it is clear from the context in James that the phrase “by works and not by faith alone” does not mean that genuine faith is not sufficient for justification but rather that faith unaccompanied by works is not genuine Class dismissed
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Oliver Burdick
Oliver Burdick@oliverburdick·
Dear Muslims, No, there will not be 72 virgin wives waiting for you when you die. There will only be a fiery lake of burning sulfur. Repent and turn to Jesus to be saved.
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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
Hello and thanks. I hear that you’re still of that persuasion so popularly taught in the west even after all the things I showed you. First, Galatians talks about the necessity to walk in the Spirit so that THEN we won’t fulfill the lust of the flesh. We can obviously make a choice here now: We can live in surrender to Christ so that the Holy Spirit gets close to us with its aid to live holy. If we don’t spend time with or have relationship with God then God moves further away from us. Are you a slave to sin and it has a dominion over you? If you have given your life to Christ then you are not, then you are a slave to righteousness, as in Romans 6. One cannot be a slave to sin and not a slave, and sin have dominion over him and not have it at the same time, for that would be a contradiction. That’s exactly how Lutheran, Calvinist, perspective reads it. Romans 7, Paul under the law of Moses, a slave to sin. Romans 6, Paul under the law of Christ, a slave to righteousness. In Romans 6 from the very beginning of the chapter Paul explains that one must not sin because sin no longer has dominion over him for it has been put to death and one must choose to obey God v15-16, 21-22 leading to eternal salvation vs being a slave to sin leading to damnation. So in Romans 6 Paul is heavily persuading a Christian to choose not to live in practice of sin while in Romans 7 Paul completely inverts that and says it is not possible not to live in practice of sin for one is a slave to sin for he’s under the law of Moses. One is not in Christ, the other one is in Christ.
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JustInTime
JustInTime@JustInHere2021·
@Rolly7City That’s not pre-Spirit. That’s present reality. So yes, no dominion. Yes, we yield to the Spirit. But there’s still an active conflict… and that’s actually what produces the awareness I was describing.
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JustInTime
JustInTime@JustInHere2021·
Christian maturity isn’t growing past sin, but growing more awake to it. Not just in others, but in yourself. Not just outwardly, but in the most hidden places… motives, pride, self-trust. But at the same time, it produces a deeper gentleness toward those still caught in it.
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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
Yes, the commandments of Christ for we are under the law of Christ, that is faith indeed. Faith in Greek pistis means faithfulness, fidelity, loyalty, there is no faith vs good works argument in the Bible, it falls under faith. We do so by the enabling of the Holy Spirit who does the heavy lifting, which the Jews under the law of Moses did not have.
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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
I think you might be misunderstanding Paul’s argument on justification. Works of the law are Jewish identity markers like circumcision or food laws, and are not some good deeds to earn salvation. His argument was we’re saved by faith apart from becoming of Jewish identity requirement
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Unorthodox but right
Unorthodox but right@Unortho78417621·
@JesusDied4UToo @brittain78450 "sealed unto the day of redemption" "guarantee" "already seated in a heavenly places" "not of ourselves" We should walk in the Spirit because we live in the Spirit. Picking up the pattern? it's reasonable service vs justification unto eternal life that has you confused
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RollyCity
RollyCity@Rolly7City·
@QueenAnticommie Godlessness. It is number one. Any evil in the world has this behind it.
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Anticommie
Anticommie@QueenAnticommie·
Which has caused more human suffering in history?
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