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SWChris

@SWChrisCreative

I like memes and games. This account used to explore religion and politics, hopefully respectfully. Hit me if I start monologuing. Engagements ≠ Endorsements.

Kansas, USA Katılım Eylül 2008
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SWChris
SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff I also believe there is a requirement for prudence in these matters. I think my point above is that there is really no way we can be in a position to judge her case. But the principle of being prudent about who should marry or be trusted itself is well founded.
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Jabool
Jabool@Jaboolie·
I don't think she should be praised. My point is that people conflate spiritual forgiveness and how a society best operates. A pedophile rapist may somehow genuinely repent and enter heaven. Miracles happen. But that doesn't mean society should be expect to pretend the pedophile rapist is the same as any other person. Same with a promiscuous woman. Same with a serial liar. Same with a conman. Each one of these people could repent and find grace, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or un-christian to be wary of trusting the liar, or do business with the conman, etc. For some reason unconditional "resetting" of relations ONLY applies to sexual immorality, and we acknowledge it would be insane to apply it to basically any other circumstance.
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Ryan Duff
Ryan Duff@ryancduff·
The reaction to this post is a prime example of why the way is narrow and few find it. From “you shouldn’t share this” to “Christianity has a marketing issue”… the gross misunderstanding of grace and newness of life is lost on most. Christianity is too radical for the masses. It’s why they sought to crucify Jesus and why they’ll eliminate the two witnesses on revelation. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Trevor Sheatz@TrevorSheatz

My wife was formerly promiscuous. I was a virgin. She was then radically born-again. Committed to church, evangelized constantly, Puritan books in her bedroom, prayer journals, grief over past sexual sin, etc. We got to know each other well for over a year, dated for four months, engaged for two and a half, and didn't sin sexually with one another. Our first kiss with each other was at the altar on our wedding day (reaction pic attached!). We've been married for over five years now, and she's been the most wonderful and godly wife, mother to our three children, and homemaker you could imagine. She's more pure than most virgins, as biblical purity has less to with past sins (though they certainly matter) and more to do with one's current posture of the heart and daily decisions to honor the Lord (Matt. 5:8). We're far too quick to forget the story of the woman labeled as a known "sinner" (likely a prostitute) in Luke 7:36-50 who was washing Jesus' feet with her tears while kissing them too. The Pharisees were shocked that Jesus let a public sinner do this. Jesus responded with a parable about debts being forgiven and ended with this powerful conclusion: "Her many sins have been forgiven; that’s why she loved much. But the one who is forgiven little, loves little" (Luke 7:47). Everyone seems to highlight the benefits of virginity, and it certainly is a blessing. But we forget to highlight the benefits of being forgiven much as well. My wife knows the depths of Jesus' forgiveness more than most people, enabling her to more easily live out a life of passionate love for her Savior. A woman or man's past sexual sin matters. But what matters far more when it comes to deciding who to marry is if the person is truly born again, if their repentance is real, if they truly have a heart for Christ, if they truly follow Jesus and obey his commands. "God has chosen what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen what is weak in the world to shame the strong. God has chosen what is insignificant and despised in the world ​— ​what is viewed as nothing ​— ​to bring to nothing what is viewed as something, so that no one may boast in his presence. It is from him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom from God for us ​— ​our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption, — in order that, as it is written: 'Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.'" (1 Cor. 1:27-31) "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, and see, the new has come!" (2 Cor. 5:17)

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SWChris
SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@ItIsHoeMath @wokal_distance @christopherrufo Bro everything that comes after “if” is not what he is saying. You’ve gazed into the palantir for too long. You saw far, but now you are seeing only the worst constructions of possible realities. The enemy has turned your gift into a curse.
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SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff On that day I met him, that man was closer to the kingdom of God than any self righteous legalistic poaster in that husband’s thread is right now. I thought you were one of them. My apologies.
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SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff When I see people dragging that lady it’s like they’re dragging me for doing what I was supposed to do. In one of my support groups I met a non-offending pedophile. He had never acted on it but was deathly afraid of doing so. He voluntarily kept away from kids and got help.
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SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff The repentant rapist obviously. Are you more upset with the formerly promiscuous woman here being uplifted by her husband or the fact that some Christians have a double standard?
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Jabool@Jaboolie·
Which man enters heaven: The repentant rapist or the unrepentant cheater? Raping is worse than cheating on a test, in the same way that fucking 100 men os worse than telling a white lie. The point is that you can't say in one breath "You have to treat someone as if their sin never happened" with the promiscuous woman but apply a completely different standard to other sins.
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SWChris
SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff No, man. The wages of sin is death but that doesn’t mean cheating is as bad as r*pe, or worse, that r*pe is only as bad as cheating. Grace covers it all, but that’s due to the power of Christ to cover all sin no matter how evil, not because all sin is equal.
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SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff Each worker is paid the same no matter the lateness of the hour at which they began working. You seem to want to have it the other way.
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SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff But the gospel is scandalous in that Christ pays for that punishment for us when we repent and turn away from those things. This is the message of the parable of the workers in the vineyard.
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Jabool@Jaboolie·
@SWChrisCreative @ryancduff Can you quote me where in the bible it says the various repentant should be treated differently depending on sin?
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SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff So let me just clarify. Are you in fact saying this woman should be accepted but so should all of these other people? I’d broadly agree with that. It sounded like you were saying the opposite, that she deserves condemnation the same way these other people would.
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SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff Words of caution to anyone else who would think about doing this are far more practical and useful than whatever this is. We should be slow to condemn their relationship when there is no biblical warrant to do so, unlike in the case of unrepentant sin or unmortified besetting sin
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SWChris@SWChrisCreative·
@Jaboolie @ryancduff But you don’t know that because what you know about a 5 year marriage comes only through a 100 words on Twitter, which is hardly a sound basis for such a conclusion I daresay.
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Jabool
Jabool@Jaboolie·
Why are we pretending like "radical forgiveness" is applied in any meaningful way beyond pretending like promiscuous women are more virtuous than others? You'd never expect that treatment if a woman married a former woman beater, rapist, etc. Who repented and found jesus. You would (rightly) be throwing up some objections.
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