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A project dedicated to healing the Western imagination by reclaiming its mythos.

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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
I actually have some takes on that. At least, about where superhero stories should go. Superhero stories are perhaps the ultimate genre of the kind of fiction that has its roots in pulp stories. Those characters strike a chord with us like nothing else, and its tropes cling to a kind of timelessness more than those of any other genre in popular modern media — with fantasy as its only rival. Both genres are ill. The first, I believe, more than the second. Superhero stories are suffocating under their own weight — a genre so self-referential it’s a hall of mirrors, reflecting the same tired poses back at us ‘til it’s dull as dishwater. /1
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Isaac Young@HariSel57511397

But this just leaves me wondering, where do Superhero stories go after Invincible? Where is the new ground to be tread? We’ve hit a singularity point where everything seems to be varying degrees of Marvel slop. Where is the revolution? The new aesthetic? The new genre? 7/

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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
@konshtok @GodotIsW8ing4U Honestly, that's because the very idea of a 'magic system' would have felt alien to Tolkien. He didn't grow up in the city. Magic felt "natural" to him. Technology may be a system; magic isn't.
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konshtok@konshtok·
@GodotIsW8ing4U no he wouldn't explain his magic system he doesn't have one , does he? just because systematizing autistic nerds really like his works doesn't mean he was one (he was one ,but for languages not physics)
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Godot@GodotIsW8ing4U·
If Tolkien had written Narnia, obviously a lot of things would have been different, but you just know he would have nailed down an actual conversion ratio for Narnia time to real world time, and he would have stuck to it religiously
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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
One side perfected parasitic storytelling: latching onto great creations from better men and draining them dry. The other built a whole class of influencers who make a living denouncing those parasites. Truth is, many on the right wouldn't know what to do if the leftist agenda vanished tomorrow. They learned to take some pleasure from it. It gives them purpose.
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J. Y. Song@Critical_Scribe·
I’d say yes, but I would also say that this cynicism is something I’ve started to notice increasingly on the Right as well. So often do I see them eager to blackpill at the slightest inconvenience, eager to see their nightmare come true for some reason and I realize that to many the struggle is their purpose. They don’t want what comes after, they want to “be in the fight” in perpetuity cause they have no other calling other than to endlessly shout and yell about some new tragedy, because when all that stops, what else are they going to have? This cynicism is a bit different than the Left’s brand, which seeks to infest properties and render them toothless. This one seeks to ignore many problems or solutions because it’s “beneath them” (the old “why are there no right wing artists?) yet calling either side out on this will get them hyper defensive. Do I think it’s as prevalent as it is on the Left? No, but it does appear to be growing, and I think nipping that issue in the bud as soon as possible will actually make the Right be able to lock in and stop floundering while complaining about everything. The people who are trying to do things are also without support due to this honestly performative behavior, and now it’s gotten to the point where there is a Right brand of slop that’s as equally useless as the Left’s.
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Novelist Isaac Young on why the Left is attacking The Lord of the Rings: "It’s not just that the Left prefer a cynical edge to all their storytelling, they are viscerally offended when there’s a mainstream story that tells them there is undeniable good in the world." Is he on to something here?

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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
Ironically, the word "proletariat" comes from proles, Latin for offspring. Once upon a time, children were the only thing a worker truly had. A constant revolt against reality took even that away.
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Monarchists of America@MOA_Official1·
Leftists in the 19th century: "fight for a better world where your children will be free." Leftists of the 21st century: "why bother having a family? Your kids are just going to work their whole lives away." Marx and Engels would consider the modern leftist to be the epitome of lumpenproletariat. They're useless, nihilistic consumers whose rebellion is just another form of hollow consumption.
BlackSword@Blacksword011

People are starting to not want children to not produce wage slaves

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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
I agree with you on the Punisher point. That tone clash is real. That said, I do think you can still build a solid villain gallery even if the hero is willing to kill. Wolverine racks up a body count, but he’s got a pretty decent rogue’s gallery. Just because someone’s ready to pull the trigger doesn’t mean they succeed on the first try. Fighting the same villain two or three times before finally ending them can actually work well (especially if you space those fights out with other arcs in between). You don’t need a hundred issues per villain for them to feel memorable, you know? Gorr the God Butcher is a good example. He was a fantastic addition to Thor’s gallery, and his story wrapped up strongly after about 18-20 issues. There was no need to bring him back (although they eventually did it). People would still remember him as one of Thor’s best. He could stay dead for good. The real challenge with Punisher, for me, is that it’s just harder to create villains who fit his world. A lot of writers either can’t pull it off or don’t really want to. If I were writing a linear Punisher story, I’d draw inspiration from Berserk (the tone and storytelling grit, not the fantasy elements) and focus on building a few truly awful recurring villains who take two or three brutal encounters before they’re finally put down.
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Crusader's Symphony
Crusader's Symphony@CrusadeSymphony·
They were designed like marketable plushies and got a lot of screen time. Punisher villains just die, and are often so awful that they aren't going to get plushies. It does mean however when you put him with more light hearted or fantastical heroes he just doesn't fit in. Most of the Marvel Villains aren't executed because the majority of them aren't rapists, pedos, or serial killers. It's a big tone shift putting Punisher with other Marvel characters who deal with science fiction villains, thieves, cat burglars, and the like. It also makes the other heroes look naive when they whine about his methods because they never deal with what he's working with.
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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
I see what you're saying, but why can't a hero have a rogue's gallery and a linear story (where most villains die) at the same time? Dragon Ball sells toys of Frieza, Cell, and Buu all the time, even though they all died at the end of their sagas.
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Crusader's Symphony@CrusadeSymphony·
@HariSel57511397 I hate to tell you this but every single character I make is designed to be made into action figures, plushies, lego sets, and video games. Tastefully mind you but still.
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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
@kangminlee The Church is going through its own Book of Job. You won't find an easy time anywhere, even in the right place. That said, Catholicism is the answer. But once inside, that answer only raises deeper questions.
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Kangmin Lee | 이강민
Kangmin Lee | 이강민@kangminlee·
I am now seriously inquiring Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or High-Church Protestantism after this whole fiasco. Modern evangelicalism is compromised & detached from apostolic faith, swapped for subjective feel-good fluff instead of Scripture-rooted truth & historic Church tradition.
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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
Well, yeah. Harry is naturally good at Quidditch, just as Luke is a terrific pilot. But I don't think that's what makes a character a Mary Sue. Besides his collection of innate abilities and special items, Harry still has to learn and grow, especially morally. He has to figure out how to do the right thing. For me, the real problem with Mary Sues isn't just that the story revolves around them or that they receive lots of powerful stuff (which has been normal for protagonists for millennia). The issue is that they are constantly vindicated, they prove everyone else wrong, and they don't truly grow as people. They only gain new cool and powerful abilities. Even their flaws are "good flaws". Also, I should add that things were mostly like this for a good part of history. Noblemen were more "naturally gifted", their lineages mattered a lot, and they had access to the best stuff, etc. (Btw, sorry for writing so much. I just found your answer really interesting lol)
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Marc@MarcTechStream·
@rjunior_sp @ScrollwritersX @agraybee was revealed today people would call him a Mary Sue. But in the end it’s just part of very classical Heroe’s Journey style writing. Destiny. Lineage. Hidden Talents. Special Gadgets/ Magic Items that help our hero. Etc.
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Everything Price Sufferer (but especially eggs)@agraybee·
I don't think JK Rowling really understands sports as a concept because what do you mean individual players can bring their own vastly superior equipment that gives them an advantage.
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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
I'm sure it does. All I'm saying is that the very idea that this kind of advantage shouldn't exist isn't part of the pre-modern mindset, and the wizards generally have that pre-modern feeling.
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Rogério Junior
Rogério Junior@rjunior_sp·
@ScrollwritersX @agraybee Try playing tennis with someone of similar skill but with a much better racket... Football with bad boots, swimming with bad vests, running with bad shoes... having better equipment makes a difference in almost every sport.
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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
@fandompulse That's a tricky question. Any character arc is better than none. Jokes aside, yeah, it would've been way more interesting. He had some good moments in Episode VII. Could've been the great part of the trilogy.
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Fandom Pulse@fandompulse·
Adam Driver on what the original plan for Kylo Ren's arc was: "[J.J. Abrams] idea was that almost the opposite journey of Vader where Vader starts the most confident the most committed to the dark side and by the last movie he's the most vulnerable and weak. And he wanted to start at the opposite. This character was the most confused and vulnerable and then by the end of the three movies would be most committed to the dark side." Would this have been a better arc for the character?
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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
If the industry ever recovers from its current crisis, a Children of Húrin adaptation would be incredible. They just need to nail the aesthetics and respect the original work. It would be the movie of its time.
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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
If you expand the scope and look at other franchises, this whole situation becomes pretty depressing. With Tolkien, they can't explore the Blue Wizards, Saruman's past, or any of the excellent suggestions people have made in this thread. It must include Gollum, Galadriel, or some other immediately recognizable character. Star Wars? Disney won't touch it unless Luke, Vader, or at least the Empire are front and center. Harry Potter should have been easy: fans have wanted a Marauders series for years. They couldn't even do that (despite it featuring plenty of familiar characters). Let alone something bolder, like a show set at Durmstrang. Instead, we got a remake. The real problem is that these people don't actually have stories to tell. They're not even selling movies to the producers. They're selling the concept of a beloved character returning in new clothes.
Sandy Petersen 🪔@SandyofCthulhu

Don't do a sequel. Do something new in Tolkien's universe. 1) Follow the hunt of the Ents for the Entwives. Best of all, if your show gets cancelled, you leave your viewers hanging the same way Tolkien left us. 2) Show the crew & captain of a ship of Gondor trying to establish trade with Umbar, now that their worst element has been killed by ghosts. 3) Let's have Bard's son, Bain, fight alongside the dwarfs in the battle of Dale trying to save his city. THERE ARE SO MANY STORIES THAT AREN'T SEQUELS. I think Hollywood's imagination is busted.

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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
@SandyofCthulhu I've always said that the best way for new LOTR content is to explore the Blue Wizards in the far East. It would let creators build something fresh without the fanfiction vibes from Rings of Power. Unfortunately, big studios prefer that fanfic approach.
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Sandy Petersen 🪔
Sandy Petersen 🪔@SandyofCthulhu·
Don't do a sequel. Do something new in Tolkien's universe. 1) Follow the hunt of the Ents for the Entwives. Best of all, if your show gets cancelled, you leave your viewers hanging the same way Tolkien left us. 2) Show the crew & captain of a ship of Gondor trying to establish trade with Umbar, now that their worst element has been killed by ghosts. 3) Let's have Bard's son, Bain, fight alongside the dwarfs in the battle of Dale trying to save his city. THERE ARE SO MANY STORIES THAT AREN'T SEQUELS. I think Hollywood's imagination is busted.
☦️🇺🇲𒉭Nick Dickem𒉭🇺🇲☦️@NickDickem2

If JRR Tolkien himself couldn't think of a storyline good enough to be a sequel to LOTR then you jerkoffs cant's either

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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
@GODFOE_UNIVERSE A story about a government using a fake plague to push control could work, as could other COVID-inspired ideas. But using COVID itself feels impossible. I suppose art will forever pretend the lockdowns and masks never happened.
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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
The best most studios can do today is fanfiction. Even 'original' stuff starts feeling like it if it lasts too long (think any long-running TV show). You can't live just reaping what others have sown. Either the studios wake up or the industry dies.
Fandom Pulse@fandompulse

George Lucas on the state of film and TV today: "Nobody knows what to do. The stories they're telling are just old movies. Let's do a sequel. Let's do another version of this movie. And it's not just in movies, but in almost everything, there's no original thinking. It's like I saw something, let's do something like that." Is he on to something here?

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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
Yeah. Looking at what's trending this year (PHM and Knight of the Seven Kingdoms), it really feels like we're swapping nihilism for hopecore. It's nice to see it happening in real time. But I hope people don't miss the fact that these stories aren't only good because of the vibes, but because they have soul. It's time for people to start producing real stories again.
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Spencer Askew@spencer_askew·
Outside of the fact that the film is incredibly well-made, I’ve been ruminating on why Project Hail Mary has struck such a cultural chord. I think it comes down to the reality that society is starving for hope. “Cool guy” cynicism is dead. People are craving “earnest,” even when it’s cheesy. We’re through resonating with jaded and bitter characters that turn up their nose at concepts of goodness and self-sacrifice. We want someone who stares the apocalypse in the face and still finds a reason to have hope, crack jokes, and love their friends well. They pushed nihilism HARD, and it has been thoroughly and utterly rejected by the masses. PHM is a return to meaningful storytelling, rather than disillusioned content-creation.
Project Hail Mary@projecthailmary

Amaze! Amaze! Amaze! Thank you to the greatest fans from Earth to Erid for making #ProjectHailMary the #1 Movie in the Universe.

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Scrollwriters@ScrollwritersX·
Yeah. Looking at what's trending this year (PHM and Knight of the Seven Kingdoms), it really feels like we're swapping nihilism for hopecore. It's nice to see it happening in real time. But I hope people don't miss the fact that these stories aren't only good because of the vibes, but because they have soul. It's time for people to start producing real stories again.
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