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Katılım Nisan 2022
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@APMI93301887 @LatFilosof Yeah but if the scientist was an all knowing, all good, and all powerful being I might trust that he knew better than us
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@StargazySky @LatFilosof If a scientist decided to create a simulation that required hundreds of billions of conscious beings suffering to achieve some goal he set for himself, we would say that he is a psychopath.
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The argument from evolutionary suffering.
I've talked about this before but I've never actually written something extensive about it. So, here we go:
Link: rickardkarlsson.substack.com/publish/post/1…
Sarah Salviander@sarahsalviander
What are the best arguments for God not existing? I'm not talking about defending a lack of belief by saying "there's no evidence for God," but strong arguments in favor of the statement "God doesn't exist." When I was an atheist, I didn't pursue these arguments, because to me it was just a given that all religion was false. It was the way I was raised, it was the environment I grew up in. Now that I'm on the other side, the vast majority of what I encounter (especially here) is extremely weak tea - lack of evidence, religion is dumb, haha magic sky fairy, which god do you believe in, etc. I'd like examples of strong, intellectual atheism. I'd also genuinely like to know why the vast majority of atheists on social media don't use these strong arguments, but instead rely on weak antagonistic stuff.
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@LatFilosof Fair enough. So you’re solely arguing against a all powerful, benevolent God who also cares about unnecessary suffering.
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@StargazySky Yes, I do think that is a potential response. But that is:
1) Not the concept I am arguing against
2) May entail other uncomfortable conclusion like skeptical theism
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@LatFilosof Perhaps this is a harsher vision of God than we like, but it is one that aligns with much of Abrahamic tradition
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@LatFilosof Why would unnecessary suffering matter to God?
Isn’t it possible that God cares about other types of goodness (e.g., moral uprightness) and is simply indifferent to suffering?
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@NEMonarchist Or
Vatican II reaffirms prior teaching and SSPX has been getting that teaching wrong for decades despite many corrections
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2) Vatican II reaffirms prior teaching, in which case the confusion can easily be amended through public clarification, and the SSPX are some of the only people in the Church propounding the "true meaning" of Vatican II after all.
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The trad popesplainers have yet to explain this one to me. The SSPX are heretics for "rejecting Vatican II" (whatever that means). So either:
1) Vatican II repudiates prior teaching, in which case the SSPX is vindicated after all and we are in a state of emergency.
Or
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@JeffCassman @FatherNaugle SSPX is wrong because they hyper-fixates on the problems of the modern church as uniquely bad and unprecedented
Whereas a more historically balanced approach would recognize problems of similar severity have always plagued the Church
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@JeffCassman @FatherNaugle If differences in priestly formation are a crises, then there has always been crises in the Church that put millions of souls at risk - and yet SSPX’s response seems unprecedented
How do you account for that?
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@Sola_Requiem @MDusty663079 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
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@MDusty663079 How does that make any sense when the patristic consensus of the fathers is that Adam and Eve were in a state like the angels being pure guardians of creation? Man didn’t engage in sex because there wasn’t a necessity since man hasn’t let sin into the world yet.
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@eigenrobot As I recall it typically took a couple back and forths to get clean data out of local government offices
Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by idiocy
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@eigenrobot No but from past work with state voter registration data
>P50 this is a bad join from whatever state bureaucrat pulled the data
But this not a story the MAGA will tell you
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has anyone assessed this claim from outside?
Art@ZarkFiles
And here they are overlaid in RGB channels. Every single line matches perfectly. Public records via FOIA. Names fully redacted. 1.5 million clones + duplicated signatures = enough to swing any close race. This is why audits matter. Repost if your state needs to check signatures. What’s the weirdest thing you’ve seen in your rolls?
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@eigenrobot Genuinely thought you meant Richard J. Daley’s support for JFK & LBJ for a second there
I was like huh deep cuts but go off
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in retrospect putting an ethnic political machine from chicago into the white house for eight years was a terrible idea
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@Trent_Horn @catholiccom If conception happened after fertilization
Then zygotes are reproductive tissue, just as sperm and egg are before fertilization
By analogy, you probably agree it would be contraceptive to flush out sperm from the uterus after sex in order to prevent conception
Same for zygotes
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@Trent_Horn @catholiccom I think in the “unborn” hypothetical above, CA is speculating about what if personhood developed after fertilization
If that were true, abortion could still be contraceptive because it interfered with the natural process of procreation
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An fetus is growing, so it's alive. It has human parents and DNA, so it's human.
Faced with this truth, pro-choicers often bring up completely arbitrary categories in order to deny that humanity, like:
-size
-consciousness
-self-awareness
-feeling pain
Here's why they fail:🧵
Congressman Shri Thanedar@RepShriThanedar
My favorite kind of abortion is the kind that's safe, legal, accessible, and none of your damn business to regulate. And no amount of fearmongering by describing what goes on to a half-ounce fetus with no consciousness, self-awareness, or feeling of pain is going to change that.
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@eigenrobot @tannishmango If I were pope in 1521 I would be sending Cortez my strongest exorcists
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@eigenrobot @tannishmango Aren’t there early Spanish accounts of finding idols that verbally answered questions posed to them by the natives and concluding “oh yeah, this place is straight up infested w demons”
Hard to dispute tbh
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I'll take any excuse to talk about the Moche and adjacent cultures of Precolumbian South America
It's amazing how bad society can get and how it can persist in horror
lithuanian spongebob@szn3fortnite
@getderb @wanted4mogging Do you have any evidence for mass raping, killing, and enslaving pre-colonial contact, or are you just saying irrelevant incorrect shit to feel good
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@eigenrobot Yeah I mean
What aggregate trends are we talking about here
Or are we just discerning vibes in the wind?
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it is apparent that living in america is much sadder and grimmer than it was thirty, twenty, or even ten years ago
this should give us some pause about the notion of "progress" and indeed this is probably related to the undoing of the american liberal political tradition
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@lost_nomad__ Yeah the obvious conclusion is that they didn’t just start
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
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“Why did everyone suddenly start farming at the same time?”
The leading theory is “the Ice Age ended” but I’m fairly dissatisfied with that answer. It’s not like the entire planet was under ice
Many such mysteries of the past. Things that seem obvious apparently weren’t
Michael Button@MichaelButtonX
We teach that agriculture 'began' in the Fertile Crescent. But it also began independently in China, New Guinea, Mesoamerica, and the Andes - all at roughly the same time. Why did everyone suddenly start farming at once, after 290,000 years of not doing so?
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@MaryLuCallahan1 @Herenotthere5 Yeah
the most nuanced defenders of conservative Catholic morality are willing to point this out (I.e., the problem is “sodomy” in particular regardless of the genders involved)
But few get to this level
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@Herenotthere5 Honestly, what confuses me is that all the sexual acts that may be shared in a homosexual relationship are performed by some percentage of the heterosexual community. Some priests might be very surprised if their parishioners gave honest answers about their sex life. (they won't)
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@Catholic_bro @oliverburdick Are you saying God is bound by the sacraments
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@oliverburdick So a person can enter heaven without any personal faith in Christ or baptism?
what makes that consistent with the Gospel call to believe and be baptized?
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If a baby dies, it will go to heaven.
Even if it wasn’t baptized.
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