Stochastic Statistician

@djahanskov The Palestinians have “self rule” in the same way that Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto had “self rule.” It's an obvious farce.

@StochasticStat1 It is not much of a point though. The Palestinians had elections, they chose to abolish them. They have self rule, they choose not to use it constructively and blame Israel for everything like beating their wives, marrying kids, censoring media, torturing and killing Palestinians

Let’s talk reality. A Jewish baby born today in a West Bank community will have full rights in Israel, a vote in national elections, and access to civilian courts; a Palestinian baby born in that same community will have no democratic rights, tight restrictions on their movement, frequent harassment from settlers, and no access to justice beyond what Israel’s unaccountable military courts mete out. That’s apartheid.

@djahanskov That's a frankly racist POV. You think it's okay to drive out an entire ethnic group because “their own kind” can take them in elsewhere.

@StochasticStat1 Basically those Jews did exactly what you believe the Palestinians are entitled to do now. With the big exception that Jews in large paid their way in and Arabs/muslims have plenty of other places to settle amongst their 'brothers and sisters'.

@djahanskov The Arab Jews only emigrated to Palestine after the foundation of Israel. The foundation of the state of Israel and the expulsion of the Palestinians created a huge amount of antisemitism throughout the region.

@StochasticStat1 Your claim that they were mostly European is simply not true. Their Arab/muslim neighbours chased them out of pretty much every country in the region. Where should they have gone?

@djahanskov Not really difficult at all. Tons of resistance groups have built extensive tunnel networks, including the Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto and the Viet Cong. The greenhouse story is another dumb talking point. They failed because of Israeli border restrictions.

@StochasticStat1 Building a tunnel network of the estimated size and with the facilities present IS difficult. Particularly if you are under siege and have no access to the outside world. Gaza took over the green houses the Israelis left and decided to smash them and steal what they could use.

@djahanskov There hasn't been a single terrorist attack by the PLO in over 20 years. What on Earth are you going on about?

@StochasticStat1 The PLO is an organisation made up of several groups of which a number are engaged to this day in terrorism. Amongst those PFLP and Al-Aqsa Martyrs brigade. Which is why PA prefer to go by Fatah these days. Hamas is another terrorgroup as well as PIJ that at least isn't elected.

@djahanskov Iraqi Jews were overwhelmingly not Zionist in the 1920s. Zionism was almost exclusively a European movement.

@StochasticStat1 Not sure if it is mostly sad or amusing that you honestly seem to believe this. The Zionist movement that started in Iraq in the 1920s was also Europeans?

@djahanskov “if they maintain that people who haven't set foot in Israel for 78 yrs or ever should be allowed to throw Israelis out of their homes.” The irony is that you believe it was just for Jewish people to do this to the Palestinians after 2000 years.

@StochasticStat1 Depending on what they expect their borders to be and whether or not they maintain that Israel should cease to exist and if they maintain that people who haven't set foot in Israel for 78 yrs or ever should be allowed to throw Israelis out of their homes. justia.com/international-…

@djahanskov What is “simply not true”? There's no way you can possibly argue that Jews made up a large percentage of the population of Palestine before the Zionist movement was founded.

@StochasticStat1 It is simply not true but you are right the Jews have tried for centuries to appease and compromise and play nice and it hasn't worked and yes, there has been division on the means which is why even Israel admits that there has been extremists and faults unlike their opponents

@djahanskov Ben Gurion was Polish. Chaim Weizmann was Belarusian. Golda Meir was American. Practically none of the founders of Israel came from Palestine. “Jews were always there” is the talking point, and it's incredibly misleading.

@StochasticStat1 No. You like this talking point because it absolves the Arab countries in the area of any blame. We are talking about roughly 1 mio people. Where do you think those Jews went? To Europe?

@djahanskov You know that Apartheid was also implemented by “treating non-citizens differently to citizens,” right? South Africa just defined black people as noncitizens and created fake “bantustan” countries for them. It was remarkably similar to Israel treats the Palestinians.

@StochasticStat1 You really are running out of arguments. If treating non-citizens differently to citizens is apartheid then every country in the world has apartheid. Meanwhile Israel has Arab muslims on the supreme court, in government, on university boards, soldiers even officers, doctors etc

@VincentJCurtis1 @FurkanGozukara @TomANelson If the UK were trying with all of its might to prevent the US from using British air bases to attack Iran, that would be a different matter. But Britain isn't doing that. It has given the US permission to attack Iran from British soil. That makes the UK a belligerent.

@VincentJCurtis1 @FurkanGozukara @TomANelson This is also pretty obvious if you use your “native intelligence.” You can't willingly allow a country to use your territory to attack another country, but then claim to be neutral. You're involved at that point.

UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer caught lying to the public. He claims Britain isn't involved in the war on Iran, while US soldiers are literally loading 2,000lb bombs onto B-52s at RAF Fairford to drop on the Middle East.

@VincentJCurtis1 @FurkanGozukara You'll have to argue this with Grok. It's a very well established principle of international law that neutral countries become belligerents when they willingly allow their territory (including airspace) to be used to attack other countries. x.com/i/grok/share/3…

@StochasticStat1 @FurkanGozukara Dear Sarcastic Stochastic; remind me never to hire you as a lawyer.

@VincentJCurtis1 @FurkanGozukara I'll let @grok explain this to you: Can a state claim to be neutral while actively permitting a belligerent to use its air bases and airspace attack another country?

@EylonALevy “We're obliterating this other country so that they can never do this to anyone who sneak attacks them and murders their entire leadership ever again.”

A synagogue in Dimona was damaged by shockwaves from an Iranian ballistic missile attack today. We are obliterating the Iranian regime’s ballistic missile industry so it can never do this to anyone ever again.

@MozYossi48495 @BalzsTimr5 @BriannaWu @SenWarren Israel invaded and occupied southern Lebanon for 20 years. Hezbollah was founded in response. But they started it? It's amazing how Israelis can anyways see themselves as the victims in everything. It's the national ideology.

@BalzsTimr5 @BriannaWu @SenWarren No, one part was missing in my response Every single war was started by one or more of those groups

And @SenWarren expects Jews to literally sit there and die.

@VincentJCurtis1 @FurkanGozukara Only if the Dutch willingly allowed the Germans to overfly their airspace. They didn't. They were at war with Germany. This isn't a difficult concept to understand. Jordan and Iraq are very much complicit in the war on Iran.

So, that places the Dutch at war with France in 1940, bc Germany crossed Dutch territory unresisted to reach France. I don't think you're an expert in international law, not that international law matters. Iraq & Jordan are overflown by Israeli jets to reach Iran, & Iranian missiles to reach Israel, but they're not at war with Iran or Israel.

@VincentJCurtis1 @FurkanGozukara Actually, yes. It's been commonly understood for as long as airplanes have existed that if a country lets warplanes use its airspace, it becomes a party to the conflict. It's exactly like letting an army cross your territory to attack another country.

@StochasticStat1 @FurkanGozukara They fly through the air over Europe. Is the air involved? What about flown over countries? Frankly, only TDS explains why people favor the mullahs, who killed 30,000 Iranians in the January crackdown to hold onto power, over US efforts to end the threat once & for all.

@tfasbend1 @BoneFxScience @_lea_li @hahauenstein @NicoleGohlke Peinlich. Meine Vorfahren mussten Deutschland verlassen, weil sie Juden waren. Dass Sie die Unterdrückung der Palästinenser unterstützten, und sich dafür als „Judenfreund“ bezeichnen, ist ekelhaft. Das passiert leider öfter in Deutschland. Wir brauchen keine solchen Freunde.

@BoneFxScience @_lea_li @hahauenstein @NicoleGohlke Sofort melden. Ein Judenfreund!

Diese Forderungen sind nur “unbekannt” für diejenigen, die sich noch nicht mit dem IGH Gutachten zur israelischen Besatzung beschäftigt hat. Der eigentliche Skandal, ist dass @NicoleGohlke und ich sie überhaupt formulieren müssen, weil D sich nicht an geltendes Recht hält.