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@TannerJCollins

Following the restored gospel as laid out by Joseph Smith. The Scriptures isn't just a category on my bookshelf, it's the actual plan.

Katılım Nisan 2022
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OrthodoxMormon
OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
@WilliamMeservy Haha you're like every other feminine dude on here. You can't keep up so you just turn to insults. Don't worry, you couldn't keep up in real life either. Just FYI, Joseph and early prophets are not on your side on this.
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OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
The Flynn effect doesn't actually change my argument at all. Standardized testing made people better at taking tests. Cool. How do you explain black people being more than 6 times more likely to kill you? Or how they account for 25% of violent crimes yet they are only 13% of the population? I turn to the philosopher Hegel and what he extracted after studying history in depth. "In Negro life the characteristic point is the fact that consciousness has not yet attained to the realization of any substantial objective existence—as for example, God, or Law—in which the interest of man’s volition is involved and in which he realizes his own being."
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OrthodoxMormon
OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
@WilliamMeservy Not sure what you are trying to prove with this? Studies are very clear, IQ is genetic. You can look at history and that becomes very clear. The idea that we are all the same is a modern feminist idea. Why didn't the church allow black people to get the Priesthood?
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William Meservy
William Meservy@WilliamMeservy·
@TannerJCollins Nobody can handle the truth.
William Meservy@WilliamMeservy

@MarcusCallwmya Even if you wish to generalize about the IQ of an ethnicity from an impoverished region, what kind of bozo calls an entire nation “bad people”? Btw, IQ is more strongly correlated with poverty than genetics—gains are dramatic within 1-2 generations after people escape poverty.

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OrthodoxMormon
OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
@Derek_Rumpler @stackerco "I don't care about scriptures". Okay bud. This is where this conversation ends. We are discussing doctrine of the Church, I think you are in the wrong place.
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OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
So you are implying that culture has anything to do with the doctrine that is taught? I know the reason why conference talks are much weaker today than in the early church. It's because of disobedience, not culture. Give me a scripture that talks about culture having anything to do with doctrine.
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OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
@Derek_Rumpler @stackerco Culture means nothing to me. In fact I go against culture in almost every aspect of my life. Allowing culture to decide your relationship with doctrine and Christ is frankly very dumb.
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Nancy Rigdon
Nancy Rigdon@RigdonNancy3·
This is the 💩 that is infuriating. I studied daily what the church made available to me and it’s my fault I didn’t study about the seer stones. 😡 @stackerco is 100% right. The church today is so much different then the church of my youth.
Steven Mackey@stevenmackeyman

@RigdonNancy3 @sister_slay @stackerco @BlackBlessedLDS @pimomormon @hvworlton @lars_2025 So now we are shifting the pre established goal posts regarding age? Listen it’s nobody’s fault but your own that you dedicated years of your life to a religion you didn’t actually study. Sounds like a 100 IQ problem.

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OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
@stackerco If only we had every conference talk written down... So yes the doctrine is clear and I can claim it was always taught. Are you suggesting was your teacher taught in Sunday school as a kid matters?
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stacker
stacker@stackerco·
@TannerJCollins Yes you can’t comprehend the environment we grew up on or claim things like “it was always taught.” Just like I can’t claim to know what it was in the 60s
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OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
@jkimballcook @stackerco @NathanielGivens Jacob 4 answer all your questions. I don't believe it's an ongoing restoration either. The church has become feminist and demands feminism, so the Lord lets it happen so that they may stumble.
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Jared Cook
Jared Cook@jkimballcook·
@stackerco @NathanielGivens I don't agree that it's bad to have a mechanism to leave bad policies or teachings in the past instead of being bound by them forever.
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Jared Cook
Jared Cook@jkimballcook·
The thing about this is that late 20th century Mormonism was itself a reinterpretation of late 19th century Mormonism, which was in turn a reinterpretation of early Mormonism. And there is continuity between all of them.
stacker@stackerco

These younger Mormon apologists are coming from a completely different environment. A different Mormonism really. They’ve grown up shaped inside apologetics and polemics, so these reinterpretations feel normal to them. They haven’t really experienced lived Mormonism as it was, what you might call Bruce R. McConkie Mormonism of certainty and hard claims. They haven’t lived through the church calling things anti Mormon that turned out to be real history. Instead, they’ve inherited something thinner, more flexible, more abstract, more surface level where they can ignore deep doctrines and past teachings and prophets that teach things they don’t like. And that’s all they know. They are trained to creatively resolve problems instead of confronting them. Their informative years were based on “doubt your doubts” while we were raised with Hugh B Browns’ “We must be willing to give up cherished beliefs if evidence and truth require it.” So when contradictions show up, the instinct isn’t to question the system like it was for many of us Gen Xers. Their instinct is to reframe it. That’s what they believe is the best way to find truth. The Stick of Joseph podcast is an example. A couple guys in their 20s. If you watched that interview with John Dehlin, it’s hard to miss the combination: confidence without context and arrogance. But it’s not just indoctrination. This social media thing has given them more incentive. In-group platitudes and shallow statements get likes and views and praise. Their identity, platform, and status are tied to defending the system so their reasoning is motivated, not neutral. They haven’t had a chance to think for themselves. And now with social they cannot. You can see these apologetics have changed from guys like Hugh Nibley to apologetics that just try to soften problems. Ward Radio, Stick of Joseph, all these shows have zero depth. They’ve shifted from Hugh Nibley claims to how do we create ambiguity so anything could be allowed to be true? It’s the only way to survive modern scrutiny, by making everything unfalsifiable. So now they’re arrogant. They think they’ve figured it out better than us old guys. Because they’re “more nuanced” and “intellectually mature” than the past generations. They don’t get caught up in minor things like polygamy, race in the priesthood, anachronisms, Book of Abraham translations like us old idiots do. And it’s our fault we didn’t research this stuff and just believed the church when we were growing up. Really the generations have grown up in entirely different religions and cultures. And while we may have been trained to think more black and white, the younger generation has been trained against thinking critically.

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Kyle Collinsworth
Kyle Collinsworth@collinsworth55·
@itsajelly1 I don’t need to know all that. I need to feast upon the Scriptures and modern day scriptures (conference talks) to help Guide me today!!
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Kyle Collinsworth
Kyle Collinsworth@collinsworth55·
I’d much rather hear when I was studying a conference talk from David A Bednar I had a spiritual impression vs when I was listening to a podcast the person said… they are two different things
Scorp@Scorp67a

@collinsworth55 I don’t get the anti-podcast flex. If they are helping people better understand the gospel and connect with the Savior, why is that a bad thing?

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OrthodoxMormon
OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
@MormonNational Don't worry, I'm gonna have like 12 kids and all of them will have the same beliefs on family as Joseph Smith.
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OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
@LDS_Dems @sambambamz Nope, I just read scripture. Isaiah talks about this as well. Go ahead and explain why Russell M. Nelson clearly said the opposite of John Taylor?
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Dem Saints
Dem Saints@LDS_Dems·
@TannerJCollins @sambambamz Oh. I get it. You are apostate. Vs 14 is talking specifically about the Jews who fell because they "looked beyond the mark" which is exactly what you are doing. Ignoring plain and simple truths and preferring more complex, known-only-to-you doctrine. Makes sense
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OrthodoxMormon
OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
Well let's put it this way. We both just shared two very contradicting views from two different prophets. I believe that Jacob 4:14 has the reason for this. Specifically the end of the verse. "for God hath taken away his plainness from them, and delivered unto them many things which they cannot understand, because they desired it. And because they desired it God hath done it, that they may stumble." There's plenty truths that have been taken away, because the church has "desired" it. I wouldn't be surprised if they let women get the Priesthood for this exact reason.
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OrthodoxMormon
OrthodoxMormon@TannerJCollins·
"There are some of these people crawling around us like so many vipers, and insinuating their hellish, murderous practices into the families of some who call themselves Latter-day Saints. Woe! to such Saints. You cannot have a place among us. No woman murderer, no man murderer can have a place among the Latter-day Saints."-John Taylor "They are murderers and murderesses of their infants, and the stench of their infamy ascends into the nostrils of Jehovah... and I tell you that in the name of the Lord, they will go to perdition."-John Taylor So who's right?
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