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We shouldn't have to tweet or say this but - if you're one of the individuals who felt the need to attempt to DDos and DOX us over our thoughts regarding @OffKaiExpo and @VBimboOfficial's.. then you are seriously pathetic! Just five minutes ago - my software picked up on an incoming DDos attack from a person WHOM I could guess going off the replies we got from a certain spicy "political" individual - though this is just a guess. Grow up and move on. That attempt was for nothing and just goes to show that you cant grasp - nor understand - the gravity of the situation at all!

@4FoxSakeTweets @Comrade_Del @RavennaNya @VBimboOfficial We're super understanding when it comes to this stuff! Some people on here are just quick to jump on the band wagon and if you look at the other reply chain we've had.. sort of proves why there are problems in the vtubing community! It is what it is though!

@TeamTinybill @Comrade_Del @RavennaNya @VBimboOfficial This is a really well written perspective. Very level and good insight.

Once again... my stance that Vtubing medium in the west has become nothing more than a pipeline into e-girls and goonery. Nothing against this group but I'm just saying that it creates a very specific image when you see "Offkai expo! Brought to you by literal fansly e-hoes and bimbos" to people looking from the outside. Is it really surprising that most people from outside of Vtubing thinks that Vtubing is just some new sex thing for maladjusted basement-dwelling gooners?

@IAmNor6 @Comrade_Del @RavennaNya @VBimboOfficial It's okay, stay mad! <3

@TeamTinybill @Comrade_Del @RavennaNya @VBimboOfficial Yes I am mad. I am mad that a plebeian thinks he has the right to comment on MY business that YOU know nothing about. I've got the political and intellectual side of things handled, thank you very much. I also will not be mocked by pimps, thanks.

@IAmNor6 @Comrade_Del @RavennaNya @VBimboOfficial Someones mad~ It's okay lovely! I'm sure you'll do well.. one look at your twitter and a few screenshots and it's all over for you! How does it feel knowing bimbo's are somehow more sucessful for you? Must be a real ouchie in your heart, huh?

@TeamTinybill @Comrade_Del @RavennaNya @VBimboOfficial 1. Then you're even dumber than the bimbos you work with. The only person dumber than a bimbo is a person who works with them. 2. And no, its not dumb to cast a stupid statement like yours aside. Someone like you can STFU about MY business. I've got it handled, thanks.

A Vtuber that does politics.. ah.. your response checks out! 1. Not a "bimbo" - we're a game studio who works alongside them.. maybe you should read carefully. 2. Saying 'that's a whole other concept' as a way to cast a point aside is dumb.. good luck in running for anything regarding politics! 🫶 Look at the mature conversation we had with OP - if only you could be like them.. maybe the real bimbo here is you with that one braincell you seem to be clutching onto.. whoopsies!

1. In regards to Shylily. Yes and no. While her slutty attire and behavior are indeed a net negative, that's not why Shylily is ruining VTubing. That's a whole other concept. 2. My guy, you call yourselves BIMBOS. TF did you expect?! Sod it, you're more brainless than the Bimbos.

@Solus_Wavez The VBimbo's are some friends of ours and Raven has supported us so so much as a studio - we will do anything to support and make sure people don't misunderstand them! 🫡🫶

Exactly! This dude gets it!!

Yall dissing Offkai for getting a sponsor yet not paying attention to gamer supps having half naked women posted up everywhere in the con if you don't like it, don't go near the closed off booth that ID checks people😂

I do understand what you’re getting at and I agree with the core frustration: perception matters, and VTubing does have an image problem outside the space. But I think we’re still slightly attributing causation in a way that doesn’t fully hold up at all. First, VTubing isn’t being “taken over” by one type of content so much as it’s being algorithmically visible. The more sexualised or provocative branding gets engagement on social platforms, the more it gets surfaced. That’s not unique to VTubing... it’s the same pattern you see across Twitch, YouTube, Instagram, even music and cosplay. The visibility bias isn’t the same thing as the medium changing at its core. Second, it’s important to separate “what gets attention” from “what represents the space.” Yes, big names get seen first — but that doesn’t mean they define the medium any more than any other niche does. The “face of VTubing” depends entirely on who you’re asking and what circles you’re in. For every creator leaning into NSFW-adjacent branding, there are just as many focused on music, storytelling, comedy, ASMR, gaming, education, or performance who never touch that space at all! They’re just not as loudly circulated outside VTubing communities. On the point about sponsorships: even when adult-leaning brands sponsor events, that still doesn’t mean those events are “about” that content. Sponsorship is visibility + funding, not ideological alignment. Gaming conventions have energy drink sponsors, gambling sponsors, alcohol brands — it doesn’t make gaming “about” any of those things. It just reflects who is funding attention in a given space.. we've seen many other conventions have doujin sponsors and no one has batted an eye. Ravenna AND her partner invest and sponsor our studio - does that mean we're about that content? Not at all. I also think the “they only started doing NSFW because the environment changed” claim is a bit too broad to apply across the board. Some creators did pivot, sure. But VTubing has always had adult spaces alongside non-adult ones — it didn’t shift into that direction wholesale. What changed more than anything is who gets pushed into feeds, not what the medium actually is. And on the outside perception point, yes, VTubing does get unfair stereotypes. But I don’t think those stereotypes are mainly formed by internal branding choices alone. Outsiders rarely distinguish between subcommunities in the first place. To them, VTubing is already flattened into “anime avatars on stream,” and then they attach whatever preconceptions they already have about streaming culture in general. Our founders are vtubers and have done this same song and dance time and time again. So I don’t think the solution is “less of X type of creator” or treating certain branding choices as what’s harming the medium. It’s more that VTubing is still a fragmented space with no single unified face — and outsiders are going to keep oversimplifying it regardless of which subculture is most visible at any given moment. Frustration about that is fair and as a studio who has partnered nsfw creators - we can understand this on a personal level. But I don’t think the medium itself is being pulled in one direction so much as it’s being viewed through the loudest parts of it at any given time.

I'm glad you understand my point and I certainly understand yours! But I feel like you didn't understand my position fully. It's less that the specific content creators that are the problem... it's that it's being pushed to the front and center more and more. Essentially one single aspect, the sexualized one, is being pushed to essentially present itself as the "face" of Vtubing with increasing frequency. An adult 18+ website has been sponsoring practically all the big Vtuber events for several years now and people notice. Even the majority of the big talents, the ones who are basically the "Face" of Vtubing because logically, they're the ones people encounter first, have a Fansly account and do one form or another of NSFW content. And mind you... most if not all of them did not start with such content. They started producing it due to how the Vtubing environment changed. Or greed. Or both. Take your pick. Let's be honest. Vtubing isn't viewed favorably outside of Vtubing. We're either all 40 year old men with voice changers, groomers, sex pests or worse. The aspects that are getting pushed and promoted feed into those opinions more often than not. Is it so strange to dislike that it's happening and want the more creative aspects to be shown instead? That I want Vtubing to be looked at with more positivity? Most of us can't do a thing about it or affect it in any way but I feel like we are allowed to at the very least voice our frustrations about such things.

I do understand the point you’re making, and I actually agree that first impressions matter. But I think where we disagree is what should be blamed for that perception. The idea that “VTubing is camgirls but anime” didn’t suddenly appear because one expo had a sponsor with “bimbo” branding. That stereotype has existed for years, mostly because people outside communities tend to flatten niches into the loudest or most clickable thing they see. Gaming had the same problem. Streaming had the same problem. Cosplay still has the same problem. This is a general problem. But I don’t think the answer is looking at creators with certain aesthetics or branding and going “this is the problem.” Because then where does that line stop? Is fanservice the issue? Suggestive humour? Lewd models? People with revealing outfits? Adult creators existing at all? The reality is VTubing has always been a mixed space. You have musicians, comedians, lore-heavy roleplayers, gamers, horror creators, educational creators, comfy streamers — and yes, adult creators too. That diversity is part of what makes the space interesting. I also think we give “outsiders” way too little credit sometimes. Most people understand that a sponsored group at an expo doesn’t suddenly define an entire medium. If someone sees one group called “VBimbos” and decides “ah yes, all VTubers are sex workers,” that says more about them making snap judgments than the state of VTubing. And respectfully — I think there’s a difference between wanting VTubing to be seen for its wider creative side (which I agree with) and unintentionally singling out creators whose branding you personally think contributes to a bad image. Because whether intended or not, calling them part of a pipeline into “goonery” does put responsibility on them for how outsiders perceive the medium. I love VTubing too. Our entire game studio has been sponsered by and partnered by VTuber content creators. I want people to see the creativity, performances, storytelling, communities, and friendships that come from it. But I don’t think we get there by distancing ourselves from certain creators or aesthetics whenever outsiders misunderstand the medium.

They will! All I've seen is how their interactions bring people such joy! Ravenna and her partner directly fund and help our studio as investors and we love them to pieces. We've never gone onto twitter to have to defend them like this but it was just insane seeing the responses so we sat there for a hot minute and had to write up a response because the cruel things being said in their reply's are genuinely awful as heck :/ x.com/TeamTinybill/s…

I would love to claim it's engagement bait, but knowing this guy and the people he associates with. It's a grift. He's just parroting what his side of the internet want to hear so he looks like some righteous defender of children. Those girlies are beautiful and I know they're gonna have such a good time at the convention. These losers mean NOTHING.

This man has never been to a convention nor does he know how they work. You just hate 18+ content creators bro 💀

As I said in my post, I have nothing against the girls and the crew. I don't know them, I didn't watch them so I wouldn't know a thing and I'm sure they're lovely people. But I'm talking about the general presentation of how Vtubing is presented to the world. As people within the Vtubing scene we obviously know better and know the people around. But someone from outside? If the first thing they see is NSFW stuff, people calling themselves bimbos, Fansly, OF and all that? What do you think they're going to assume? Sure, if they dive deeper, they'll see the bigger picture but how many people won't do that and will be turned away from it? How many people will go in specifically just for that type of content? First impressions are important. I've found that far too many people are either incapable or simply refuse to look at this from an outside perspective. For us who have been here for years? Yeah, we've been surrounded by this type of content on all sides for years now so for us it's not that strange or unusual. For anyone else though? The general sentiment of people outside of the Vtubing scene seems to be "Vtubing is camgirls but anime" and sure, yeah we certainly got those but I love Vtubing and I want to be known and perceived for it's other amazing aspects too.

I can tell you now — none of these girls are simply “e-hoes.” We’ve had the pleasure of working with @RavennaNya and the @VBimboOfficial crew (alongside Ravenna’s partner), and they’re genuinely lovely people. Reducing creators down to labels like that because of branding, humour, or aesthetics is honestly ridiculous. They are actual people with careers, communities, and lives outside of an internet persona. “Bimbo” branding is also not some new VTuber invention. It has existed online for years — long before VTubing became mainstream. Acting like one sponsor at one expo suddenly represents the entire VTubing medium feels massively overblown. And let’s be real here: just because some members of a group happen to have a Fansly does not suddenly make every creator under that branding an “e-hoe,” nor does it mean they’re somehow ruining VTubing. You’ll find hundreds of VTubers who lean into “bimbo” aesthetics, chaotic humour, or revealing designs who don’t do adult content at all. Are we seriously going to point at an entire aesthetic and go, “Yep, this is why VTubing is dying and why smaller creators are struggling”? By that logic, are creators like @shylilytwitch “ruining VTubing” because they wear skimpy outfits, make suggestive jokes, or lean into fanservice at times? Of course not. A creator’s branding has never represented the entire medium — and it never will. Also, an expo being sponsored by a group does not mean the expo is endorsing everyone to act the same way. That’s not how sponsorships work. A sponsor supporting an event ≠ the entire community suddenly becoming that sponsor. If anything, this feels less like concern for VTubing and more like unfairly dismissing creators who have built successful communities simply because their branding doesn’t fit someone else’s personal idea of what VTubing “should” look like.

This belief that sexuality negatively affects a niche is a pattern I’ve noticed people have with several cultural phenomenon including with anime, furries, and other streaming genres in which there’s usually the instinct to insist that sexuality negatively harms public perception of the community and ultimately leads it into a worse state. But, as with furries and anime, they would go on to become much more popular, diverse, deep, and widely accepted by mainstream culture despite the insistence. Despite the instinct to not appear “weird”, there is a manga section in my book stores, and I see people with fake tails every once in a while in the street. In my opinion, overt sexuality is and has always been a factor that is universally present in most “niche” cultural phenomenon which is then, almost always, followed by mainstream respectability anyways. This is a symptom of an ongoing cultural process for many niches in my opinion, and is fine.

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