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@ThatviSingh

Katılım Ağustos 2023
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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@JA_Maolankar The dispersal was cleared for use by the Commander Air. It happened by day. The aircraft was being marshalled by a sailor. One sailor was walking under the wingtip. The duty offr, the ATC officer and Commander air were sent off to ships so didnt have to depose before the C oI.
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Jaideep Maolankar
Jaideep Maolankar@JA_Maolankar·
@ThatviSingh All the lines in the sand we have respectively surrounded ourselves with. Like taxying into a dispersal in the midst of changing to a new marking plan- at night! You have to appreciate my analogies.
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Jaideep Maolankar
Jaideep Maolankar@JA_Maolankar·
@ThatviSingh I agree. Unfortunately we can’t afford even one USAF hence the need for questioning “settled arguments”
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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@JA_Maolankar Calm down Mao, this is not Game of Thrones!! We don't need a USAF to fight Pakistan, against China, well, even the USAF failed in Iran and We could do with some population trimming.
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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@JA_Maolankar From where to where?? You forget the 1983 upper class win?? I'm not saying naval pilots are dopes just that that they'll forever operate in a sub scale air arm. India cannot afford two full complete airforce like the US. Send them and their aircraft to the IAF, they'll fight to
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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@JA_Maolankar Really. Having participated with the naval air arm amongst ourselves and with other air arms in large scale engagements seems to me that their understanding of kill chains and aerial warfare tends very close to negligible . I'm not being brutish just covetous.
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Jaideep Maolankar
Jaideep Maolankar@JA_Maolankar·
…dithering on Navy indigenous programs saying requirements are too small (à la TEDBF) - at the same time blame for importing all its aircraft!? Can’t grudge the Navy for having a good understanding of “multipliers” and the full ‘chain’ of the kill chain!?
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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@somnath1978 Wow! Great new addition to the 1962 historiography !! Would love to read more. What's the source of this 'terse' exchange??
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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@Ramandeep_Bajwa @IAF_MCC @adgpi I agree, but also nowhere in the world do army and navy senior officers use helicopters to go from Colaba to Santa Cruz in helicopters, while IAF officers went by road following an IAF rule that helicopters cannot be used if the road journey is less than one hour.
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Zafar750
Zafar750@gorgsaab·
@AnchitGupta9 @Hermis0416 I don't understand why only the airforce has a comprehensive understanding of airpower. What exactly is the optimal employment of airpower that requires 6/7 Air commands? Aren't these contradictory. Personal opinion - Airpower has never and can never be an independent war winner.
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Valh!r
Valh!r@Hermis0416·
THE most insecure branch in the Indian Armed Forces is IAF. They are always afraid if new command and force structure will take away their responsibility, or some of it. So much so, they go lengths to affect sister services procurement process. The reason IA has 6 apache is IAF
Snehesh Alex Philip@sneheshphilip

Air Marshal Tiwari (Retd) speaks out against rocket force and stresses on modern fighter aircraft. Says only countries like China and Russia have done. Iran was forced to do it. No western countries have done it

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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@realkaypius @1975Seagull Is that the reason why the navy will only get a " maritime' theater command coz no body thinks they can command a 'land or air ' theatre command against the Chinese. Is there an Issue with the navy's ' all Arms quotient'. Just asking.
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Kaypius
Kaypius@realkaypius·
@1975Seagull Not true. It takes a lot to lead an integrated fleet at sea. Not everyone’s cup of tea. Reason why IAF needs to grow out of their nests because the theatre will test your “all arms” quotient.
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Kaypius
Kaypius@realkaypius·
Shouldn’t be this way, but this is a constant refrain in sister services. All plans & acquisitions are made looking over the shoulder for friendly fire from the blues. There’s also parochialism & tribalism at play. Neil Armstrong was a naval aviator, but tell that to the birds.
Valh!r@Hermis0416

THE most insecure branch in the Indian Armed Forces is IAF. They are always afraid if new command and force structure will take away their responsibility, or some of it. So much so, they go lengths to affect sister services procurement process. The reason IA has 6 apache is IAF

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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@realkaypius Cmon,Neil was from the US Navy, the second largest AF in the world. There's no comparison or precedent to be drawn for the IN.
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Valh!r
Valh!r@Hermis0416·
@nishthavaan Agree, at that point IA should have just shrugged it off and waited for LCH. But they still went ahead with 6 apaches as in "we too wanna get a taste of that".
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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@JA_Maolankar OK if so, then why not an aerospace force with naval and land Arms rather than a navy and army with an air arm?
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Jaideep Maolankar
Jaideep Maolankar@JA_Maolankar·
@ThatviSingh I’d rephrase that as “would a ‘Theatre Commander’, irrespective of color of his uniform but drawing on all requisite expertise, be capable of xyz…”- Absolutely Yes! I’m merely objecting to the binary of “only an Air Force pilot….” (undertones of only a ‘fighter pilot’)
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Jaideep Maolankar
Jaideep Maolankar@JA_Maolankar·
The fundamental belief that only the IAF can understand “air power” undermines the very defining characteristic of the air medium - that it unifies the ‘inhabited’ domains (land/sea) by rendering them ‘accessible’. Hence inseparable. Claims to intellectual monopoly are silly.
Anchit Gupta@AnchitGupta9

Please read the 1986 decision that created Army Aviation. This issue had already been addressed then comprehensively. Since 1947, air defence, helicopters, and maritime reconnaissance have all progressively moved out of the IAF’s exclusive domain and become shared with the sister services. Every service has its turf insecurities. Every service also has ambitions of scope expansion. Such tensions are natural and inevitable. That is precisely why the MoD exists: to impose balance and uphold the national perspective. But beyond personal views and institutional positioning, the IAF’s larger reservation has generally been about preserving the efficacy of airpower and ensuring that it is employed in the most optimal manner with the resources available. Even leaving all this aside, perhaps the biggest challenge has been something more fundamental, the limited understanding of what airpower actually is, how it functions, and what it can truly deliver. That said, I will agree on one point. The IAF could have done a much better job of articulating these concerns in public forums in the last decade. Had it done so, many of the perceptions people such as you hold about IAF insecurities might well have been avoided.

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Combat_Pilot
Combat_Pilot@storm_birds·
Understanding "air power" is not the same as live, eat, breath, air power. Practice and cockpit time cannot be replaced by "I read the book". 1000 hrs of a commander are not the same as 2000 hrs of a wing commander. Exceptions are there. But that's not the rule.
Jaideep Maolankar@JA_Maolankar

The fundamental belief that only the IAF can understand “air power” undermines the very defining characteristic of the air medium - that it unifies the ‘inhabited’ domains (land/sea) by rendering them ‘accessible’. Hence inseparable. Claims to intellectual monopoly are silly.

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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@arunp2810 Just because the Wright brothers woke up late in 1903 doesn't mean airpower must remain a subservient service provider to the army and navy. Given the fundamental airpower backbone to all future wars, why not an aerospace force with naval and land Arms? Equitable airpower to all
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Adm. Arun Prakash
Adm. Arun Prakash@arunp2810·
Two sound reasons for IAF’s “sense of insecurity”: IN appropriation of MR role in 1976, & army takeover of AOP a decade later. USA too saw acrimony over aviation “Roles & Missions” & “Core Competencies”, but differences resolved by SecDef via Key West Agreement/1948 (look up).
Anchit Gupta@AnchitGupta9

Please read the 1986 decision that created Army Aviation. This issue had already been addressed then comprehensively. Since 1947, air defence, helicopters, and maritime reconnaissance have all progressively moved out of the IAF’s exclusive domain and become shared with the sister services. Every service has its turf insecurities. Every service also has ambitions of scope expansion. Such tensions are natural and inevitable. That is precisely why the MoD exists: to impose balance and uphold the national perspective. But beyond personal views and institutional positioning, the IAF’s larger reservation has generally been about preserving the efficacy of airpower and ensuring that it is employed in the most optimal manner with the resources available. Even leaving all this aside, perhaps the biggest challenge has been something more fundamental, the limited understanding of what airpower actually is, how it functions, and what it can truly deliver. That said, I will agree on one point. The IAF could have done a much better job of articulating these concerns in public forums in the last decade. Had it done so, many of the perceptions people such as you hold about IAF insecurities might well have been avoided.

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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@JA_Maolankar Of all warfare, why not have an Arrospace force with a naval and ground arm??
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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@JA_Maolankar OK by that logic suppose we shut down the navy and hand over all the naval assets to a 'Naval Arm' under the Airforce. Would IAF mid level and senior leadership be able prosecute a war at sea?? If they could , why not do it?? If Airpower is the common underlying foundation
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Vikram Singh
Vikram Singh@ThatviSingh·
@somnath1978 Biju flew Dakotas into Srinagar!! Another falsification of history!!
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