Christopher Stoll

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Christopher Stoll

Christopher Stoll

@TopherStoll

Self-taught artist • Biologist • Author • Anatomy lover • Creature-creator He/Him 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸

Katılım Nisan 2011
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✦ Mei@Zmeinir·
Everything around you is art btw From the packaging visuals of your favorite food, to the design of your car and your clothes, the poster of your favorite movie, the architecture of the building you live in, the cartoons you watched as a kid... It's all made by artists.
Ike@IkeSkelley

@konrkonrkonr @djpain1 Art is a hobby. It had a nice run masquerading as a career.

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Christopher Stoll@TopherStoll·
@k0ncept If humans acted only in their own personal best interests at all times, with no regard for their fellows, we’d have never achieved anything. Forever living as beasts of the forest, fleeing from mammoths and hiding in caves.
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kon@k0ncept·
question, the blue button people do they not understand human psychology and that humans will act in the best interest of themselves during a life or death decision?
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ThatExtrovertArtist@ExtrovertArtist·
@TopherStoll @MrBeast Except people will die anyways cuz the fact is, majority is picking red, in a real situation where people have reasonable fear for their lives
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MrBeast@MrBeast·
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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slow thighs 2 b-town@AmyLove91172704·
@TopherStoll @MrBeast The crazy thing is that red pressers don't even get game theory. The game theory take on this is neutral and, frankly, I think the 'blue strategy' is the optimal equilibrium
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FabianLiberty@FabianLiberty·
Its insane that @MrBeast created a moral dilemma that any rational person immediately realizes isn't a dilemma at all, but socialists with suicidal empathy outnumber us and kill half the planet. It's actually genius. Anyone who presses the Blue button is a threat to society.
notsoErudite@notsoErudite

Since everyone was very curious my answer, my answer is obviously blue. Gotta save the naive, the kids, the blue lovers, and the principally hope-pilled people. You red button pickers need therapy.

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Christopher Stoll@TopherStoll·
It adds a complicated additional element to the game to imagine cultural differences and the real world effects of governance, media, and collective decision making. Like, if this was somehow real and the governments of China and India strongly promoted the idea of pushing RED then that population surge would dramatically tip the entire experiment. But, I think these hypotheticals and inter-cultural rivalries (real or imagined) are sort of against the spirit of the question. Which is fundamentally- do you accept a personal risk in order to protect as many human lives as possible?
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Saltine Cracka
Saltine Cracka@SaltineC13552·
@ZinniaFloof @TopherStoll @MentisWave The assumption made by many red pushers is that a lot of the stupid people, particularly third worlders I've noticed, will push red, not due to understanding game theory but because they are selfish.
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MentisWave 🐍🚁
MentisWave 🐍🚁@MentisWave·
The blue button red button thing has made me realize how many leftists really do genuinely just don't understand things.
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Christopher Stoll@TopherStoll·
🔴 Red voters keep trying to convince themselves that anyone who chooses blue is suicidal and deserves to die. 🔵 Blue voters keep trying to convince themselves that anyone who chooses blue is an innocent child who is completely ignorant of the stakes and needs rescuing. But they are both projecting and self-justifying, the real question is are you willing to accept a personal risk to protect as many human lives as possible. You obviously aren’t.
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Sharp Rival
Sharp Rival@SharpRival·
@StefanoGuiseppe @YRukov93458 @TopherStoll @MrBeast Blue button pressers put themselves into a suicidal situation. Now, they are trying to morally argue their position, as to not be in a position where they got themselves needlessly killed. Read the psychology book The Righteous Mind to further understand people's reaction to this
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Christopher Stoll@TopherStoll·
@depression2019 If the only thing you can even consider caring about are your own individual risks and benefits, then yes... you are correctly noticing that Blue doesn't gain YOU anything.
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Jack@depression2019·
It is actually disturbing how dumb the average person is Red gives you a 100% chance of living, you literally get nothing beneficial out of choosing blue
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Jeremy Judkins
Jeremy Judkins@jeremyjudkins_·
I picked red. Red is a guarantee win. Anyone that doesn’t pick red simply can’t read and comprehend what is being said. Everyone lives if everyone picks red and nothing is left to chance.
MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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kyle@kylejfleming·
Your vote only matters if: A) you're the deciding vote (you save half the world) B) you vote blue and blue loses (you kill yourself) All other scenarios, nothing happens The only rational reason to vote blue is if you think you have a shot at saving more people (multiplied by the chance you are the deciding vote) than you're risking (multiplied by the chance you die) Assuming 8.3b people in the world, being the deciding vote has a utility of +4.15b lives Revealed preference estimates suggest the average person rates their own life ~1,000-10,000x more valuable than another human's life So not killing yourself has the utility of let's say +3,000 lives If we assume the global vote is centered around 50/50 then you have a 50% chance of dying if you vote blue (we don't know what the world will vote after all) Making the EV of choosing blue 4.15B x P(deciding vote) - 1,500 lives (3,000 lives * 50% chance you die) For 4.15B x P(deciding vote) to be greater than 1,500 lives, you would need a 1 in 2.8M chance of being the deciding vote You would need to predict the vote will have a std dev of about 0.013 percentage pts (+/- 1 million votes) around 50% in order to think you create more EV under your own life-weighted values by voting blue than the life you're risking That's really small!! I can't possibly imagine being that certain without having special knowledge about how most of the world will vote (original post says it's a private vote) More realistically, if we assume the result might be 50/50 with a std dev of 5 percentage pts, that means the probably you're the deciding vote is about 1 in a billion (the further our spread, the worse it gets) That's about 4 lives (4.15B x 1:1b) you would expect to save by voting blue (vs 1,500 at our break-even point above). If we go to std dev of 10 percentage pts, we drop to 2 lives! If you think you value your own life at less than 2 lives then I urge you to consider why you haven't volunteered your organs to a hospital yet So, assuming you value your life as much as an average human does and you vote blue, you either have very good evidence the vote is *extremely* close, or else you're simply not voting blue to save lives, you're doing it for some other reason If you don't have strong evidence the vote is extremely close and you value you're life even a modest amount, you would vote red For all other cases: If you think the vote is likely to be strongly red, why are you voting blue If you think the vote is likely to be strongly blue, you still shouldn't vote blue. The chance your vote matters is even less than if it's a close vote
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?

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Wes, the Dadliest Catch
This is the actual math, and it applies to every election. Your vote never matters. In most situations, voting is a purely expressive act. Blue voters are largely virtue signaling (which can be good and prosocial!) and a few are doing functional decision theory
kyle@kylejfleming

Your vote only matters if: A) you're the deciding vote (you save half the world) B) you vote blue and blue loses (you kill yourself) All other scenarios, nothing happens The only rational reason to vote blue is if you think you have a shot at saving more people (multiplied by the chance you are the deciding vote) than you're risking (multiplied by the chance you die) Assuming 8.3b people in the world, being the deciding vote has a utility of +4.15b lives Revealed preference estimates suggest the average person rates their own life ~1,000-10,000x more valuable than another human's life So not killing yourself has the utility of let's say +3,000 lives If we assume the global vote is centered around 50/50 then you have a 50% chance of dying if you vote blue (we don't know what the world will vote after all) Making the EV of choosing blue 4.15B x P(deciding vote) - 1,500 lives (3,000 lives * 50% chance you die) For 4.15B x P(deciding vote) to be greater than 1,500 lives, you would need a 1 in 2.8M chance of being the deciding vote You would need to predict the vote will have a std dev of about 0.013 percentage pts (+/- 1 million votes) around 50% in order to think you create more EV under your own life-weighted values by voting blue than the life you're risking That's really small!! I can't possibly imagine being that certain without having special knowledge about how most of the world will vote (original post says it's a private vote) More realistically, if we assume the result might be 50/50 with a std dev of 5 percentage pts, that means the probably you're the deciding vote is about 1 in a billion (the further our spread, the worse it gets) That's about 4 lives (4.15B x 1:1b) you would expect to save by voting blue (vs 1,500 at our break-even point above). If we go to std dev of 10 percentage pts, we drop to 2 lives! If you think you value your own life at less than 2 lives then I urge you to consider why you haven't volunteered your organs to a hospital yet So, assuming you value your life as much as an average human does and you vote blue, you either have very good evidence the vote is *extremely* close, or else you're simply not voting blue to save lives, you're doing it for some other reason If you don't have strong evidence the vote is extremely close and you value you're life even a modest amount, you would vote red For all other cases: If you think the vote is likely to be strongly red, why are you voting blue If you think the vote is likely to be strongly blue, you still shouldn't vote blue. The chance your vote matters is even less than if it's a close vote

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Christopher Stoll
Christopher Stoll@TopherStoll·
@TheDevilixh @NapoleonBonabot 100% of people will simply not choose a single color. We’ve run this goofy simulation a couple times. It’s not even close. So the question is- do you acknowledge that getting >50% is the maximally good outcome, or do you cope and seethe?
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Christopher Stoll@TopherStoll·
Red voters need to convince themselves that anyone who chooses blue is subhuman and deserves to die. Blue voters need to convince themselves that anyone who chooses blue is an innocent child who is completely ignorant of the stakes and needs rescuing. But they are both projecting and self-justifying , the real question is are you willing to accept a personal risk to protect as many human lives as possible. You obviously aren’t.
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austinalt@austinNotQuite·
@TopherStoll @MentisWave The best possible outcome is getting rid of anyone stupid enough to push the blue button in the first place.
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Brotherhood
Brotherhood@DiggingInTheDi1·
The blue button/red button dialogue has been the greatest IQ filter this site has ever seen The blues paint it as an indicator of their empathy when it's in fact an inability to model risk Classically feminine behavior, which is correspondingly Leftist behavior
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