Francis Turretin

@J17apologetics Please don’t wait for further assistance from me in understanding theological terminology.

@TurretinFan You confirmed my point again. Is that 4 times now?😄 Calvinists have definitely given a "specialized meaning" to the word sovereign. The apostles and prophets would have kicked you out, just as a chef would be thrown out of a poker game for putting garlic cloves in for an ante.

They don't know the definition of sovereign. They actually don't know it! 🤷‍♂️

What you have stumbled across is the concept of jargon. Words take on a specialized meanings in specific fields. Pot means one thing to a chef, another thing to a poker player, and something quite different to a drug addict. The fact that theology has its own lingo shouldn’t come as a surprise. When Christians talk about the good book, they don’t mean the Count of Monte Cristo, but it’s not because they “hijacked” language. And when money guys talk about “hedge” funds without reference to bushes, they aren’t doing that in order to legitimize their financial strategies.

@TurretinFan You can provide me with whatever you want 🤷‍♂️. If your sources have to hijack words and redefine them in order to legitimize your particular theology, then i think you're telling us all we need to know. So, thanks for that also!

@J17apologetics I cannot tell if you’re being serious. Would it be helpful if I provided you with a theological encyclopedia entry on the topic? If you’re just having fun, ok, haha.

@TurretinFan Yes. Agreed. I'm the camp that accepts these two screenshots.

@J17apologetics 🙄

@rootcausesleuth @Soteriology101 @Snaggle97776422 @OzMarquezz 😂 yes my screen shot and yours look the same after all

@TurretinFan @Soteriology101 @Snaggle97776422 @OzMarquezz You gonna retract this comment, @TurretinFan ? 🙃

Is there a meaningful difference between these two?

If your idea of God’s sovereignty is that he’s like Trump, but for the whole planet, your idea of God is too small, and it is not even close. Trump’s sovereignty (and please don’t lose it, “no kings” folks) is limited. Trump doesn’t know or care about the hairs on your head, much less the sparrows.

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You were mad at him? Doesn’t sound like a real reaction. Why be mad at him? Either he’s terrible at historical theology or he’s got profound insights. Neither should make anyone mad. Now, there is one guy who has reason to be mad at him, but that’s because of his behavior, not because of his book.

@TurretinFan @Acts7253 I was mad at Ken Wilson the first time I heard him. But the more one objectively looks into it can see those influences probably certainly caused him to subconsciously go to far during Pelagius battle. Aug even admits 3 times that he knew no one had taught Pred b4 him in his way

People criticizing Michael Heiser for using extra-biblical sources while they have no problem with Augustine’s syncretism, especially his heavy reliance on Manichaean beliefs, is pretty wild. I guess when it happened long ago or if you agree with the guy it’s cool….

@MatthewSch90143 @blake_cannon10 @rootcausesleuth Just because you can quote Scripture doesn’t mean you understand it.

@TurretinFan @blake_cannon10 @rootcausesleuth LOL I pointed you to the two NT scriptures where Christ "MARVELLED" at something. Defending Calvinism online is a form of ritualistic public humiliation.

Hey @TurretinFan Why not answer?

@MatthewSch90143 @blake_cannon10 @rootcausesleuth More lies on your part. Why not just admit that you don’t think your deity knows the future?

@TurretinFan @blake_cannon10 @rootcausesleuth Save your nonsense for your echo chamber. Scripture states Jesus Christ "marveled at" both great faith (Matt 8:10) and by great unbelief (Mk 6:6). According to you, that would be IMPOSSIBLE. But maybe the Holy Spirit lied about those two incidents.

@MatthewSch90143 @blake_cannon10 @rootcausesleuth Do you worship a deity that doesn’t know what will happen tomorrow?

@TurretinFan @blake_cannon10 @rootcausesleuth The LORD adjusted the swath of territory He was about to destroy to spare the town of Zoar IN RESPONSE TO Lot whining about not being able to flee all the way to the mountains. Meticulous Determinism is theological cope for scripturally semi-literate midwits.

@MatthewSch90143 @blake_cannon10 @rootcausesleuth Don’t be coy, tell us how you really feel about God being in control.

@blake_cannon10 @rootcausesleuth @TurretinFan Sorry, but Meticulous Determinism isn't your idea. Meticulous Determinism is rancid nonsense and is despicable slander against God. I have thrown out entire packages of expensive food that had smaller percentages of spoilage in them than what is present in Calvinism.

@PhilosophyIdaho @Acts7253 😂

@TurretinFan @Acts7253 Actually, the screenshot is an exact quote from Against Faustus.

@rootcausesleuth @grok @Soteriology101 Here is another Grok output of the same prompt, for whatever it may be worth:

@grok @TurretinFan @Soteriology101 Ok so Grok has nothing to offer 🤣

Some parts of this are distinctively Calvinistic, some parts are just the broader Western theological consensus, and some parts aren’t Calvinist at all. I cannot tell whether the author knows the difference among those things. However, this post is a great example of why I characterize this source as unreliable.

@rootcausesleuth @Soteriology101 Let's see if @grok can do this for me. @grok Please succinctly summarize the differences I've set forth in this thread between what is written in the image in the OP and what I would find unobjectionable.

@TurretinFan @Soteriology101 Thank you for answering. Can you state succinctly what the difference is?

@rootcausesleuth @Soteriology101 No. I'm surprised that remains unclear.

@TurretinFan @Soteriology101 Would you please give your answer if YOU think what you wrote means the same thing as what Leighton said. Forgive me if it feels a bit like pulling teeth to get you to answer this.

@rootcausesleuth @Soteriology101 "Basically" seems a bit generous to me, but I'm happy to let everyone have their own opinion about the quality of the original tweet.

@TurretinFan @Soteriology101 I think that’s basically what Leighton conveyed. Do you agree?