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James
@VerbumCatholic
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Skibidi, OH Katılım Şubat 2014
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@gmanfirmness @InHocSigno312 @JoshuaTCharles Where did the Arians appeal to Authority? In what I have read so far, they did appeal to Scripture and Reason, certainly. They also brilliantly used catchy songs as catechetical and evangelization aids.
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@VerbumCatholic @InHocSigno312 @JoshuaTCharles Tradition and Scripture, clearly. Did you mean to include "Authority?" Generally, the grouping would be "Scripture, Tradition, Reason."
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This has been my exact and consistent experience. I’ve met many Catholics who are now protestant, and vice versa. But what’s notable isn’t the numbers: it’s the quality.
Invariably, whenever I inquire into the knowledge these ex-Catholics had about the Catholic Faith, it is shockingly bad, and most of them rarely even took the time to learn what the Church actually taught in any serious way.
On the other hand, I’ve met and known of many protestant converts who were deeply formed in their faith, took it seriously, were constantly diving deep, and in that process discovered they had to become Catholic, for that was the only way all the true things they learned as a protestant could find fulfillment.
Shameless Popery@ShamelessPopery
Plenty of smart Protestants go to (Protestant) seminary and are confirmed in their views. Plenty of smart Catholics go to seminary and are confirmed in our views. Neither of these facts is surprising or particularly persuasive. But there are also many smart and seemingly holy, devout Protestants who study theology and Church history and they realize they have to become Catholic. This happens with enough frequency that entire books have been written about the phenomenon, as well as collections of testimonies. I personally know several former Protestant pastors who are now Catholic. I don't know of anysmart and seemingly holy, devout Catholics who study theology and Church history and realized they needed to become Protestant. To be clear, I know plenty of former Catholics (most of them now non-religious, some of them now Protestant), but invariably they didn't know or believe Catholic teaching even *before* they left the Church, and most will tell you that. I think this should be cause for reflection on both sides. On the one hand, there's clearly a problem within Catholicism of not forming the next generation well enough (this is improving, but there's a lot of work to do). And I think if I was a Protestant I would be alarmed by the fact that the more people look at the evidence, the more likely they are to conclude that Protestantism is false and Catholicism is true.
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What’s the most epic scam failure of all time?
I’ll start…
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@gmanfirmness @InHocSigno312 @JoshuaTCharles What did the Arians primarily use as their arguments?
Tradition, Authority, or Scripture?
And did Nicaea constitute a binding ruling for all Christians, or was it merely an advisory council?
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@InHocSigno312 @VerbumCatholic @JoshuaTCharles Athanasius of Alexandria: In his fight against Arianism, he declared that the "sacred and inspired Scriptures are sufficient to declare the truth".
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@gmanfirmness @InHocSigno312 @JoshuaTCharles Eastern Catholics have Orthodox theology on the nature of sin and man. St. Palamas is celebrated in our Church.
Precise for theological terminology, but why so vague on the history?
Isn't it a common challenge that Papal Infallibility wasn't defined until 1870 (well past 1517)?
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@VerbumCatholic @InHocSigno312 @JoshuaTCharles That is nonsensical. If someone is diagnosed with cancer, do we assume they were never healthy before? Or that we don't know what healthy cells look like?
The East didn't err on papal infallibility, which is good. Also, their hamartiology and anthropology are better.
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@gmanfirmness @InHocSigno312 @JoshuaTCharles If you can't tell when something went bad, how can you tell if it was ever good - or what good is?
You mentioned the East deviated less - how much less?
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@VerbumCatholic @InHocSigno312 @JoshuaTCharles "What year did this happen?" Over the course of centuries.
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@capybaraclem This claim of "Loneliest Road" from Life Magazine in the 80s never really was compared with Texas - or Alaska.
In Alaska, you might not even see another car for 8 hours.
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The American mind cannot fathom a 7 hour road trip that doesn’t leave the state, that barely covers any of the state, and goes through nowhere to get to nowhere
David 🇦🇺✈️@capybaraclem
7 hour road trip
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@MrEncouragement @BishopJaxi What's the difference between "license to sin" and merely believing you are immune from the effects of all sin?
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You don’t seem to understand the gospel.
We do not earn salvation. All our best works are like filthy rags. We cannot be good enough to earn or keep salvation; that’s scriptural.
That’s not license to sin. We are indwelt by the Spirit who changes us from the inside out. He makes us more Christlike.
It is him living through us that’s what changed in us. That’s not us earning anything, it’s his action with us.
You cannot earn or keep your own salvation.
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Remember, according to Ryan, so long as you trust in Jesus to be saved, apart from apostasy, there is no number or kind of sins a person can commit that will prevent you from entering heaven.
According to Ryan’s position, a person could be a habitual liar and still enter heaven so long as they trust in Jesus.
Yet here he is publicly admonishing another Protestant, Frank Turek.
If lying cannot ultimately cost a Christian heaven, why the public outrage? Either sin really can imperil salvation, or this rebuke amounts to little more than Ryan’s personal preference with no eternal consequence.
needGod.net@needGod_net
Is it EVER Okay to Lie? Responding to Frank Turek.
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@TheIambicPen @wil_da_beast630 Even the "infamous heretic burnings-at-the-stake" were done to corpses most often. Burning alive is something most societies seems to avoid - though other equally cruel methods have been used (like slowly crushing someone to death over a few days)
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@wil_da_beast630 I think you could achieve much the same effect with a hanging or firing squad. Burning someone alive is a special kind of evil we rightly condemn when ISIS or others do it. And it risks turning the whole populace cruel and callous.
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I sort of AM a prison abolitionist.
If every crime was punished either by (1) graduated fines and 1-5 lashes or (2) being burned alive on TV, we'd have less crime.
Some modifications of my Very Serious Model here might be possible - but the basic frame is obviously right.
Andrew Fleischman@ASFleischman
There's no such thing as a "prison abolitionist." An abolitionist is simply someone who wants to stop using prisons primarily to punish crime and start using them primarily to redistribute wealth and crush dissent.
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@InHocSigno312 @VerbumCatholic @JoshuaTCharles No, of course not. Rome, and, to lesser extent, the East deviated from the faith once for all delivered to the saints. These errors and deviations were what the Reformers sought to correct.
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@FeetForThoughts @JoshuaTCharles It does. There is a cultural problem in the West for Catholic education, and many of those converts have founded educational organizations to help fix it.
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@JoshuaTCharles So what I hear ya’ll saying is Protestantism disciples people better and produces deeper, smarter thinkers who take the faith more seriously 🤷🏾♂️
Does that not ever give you pause?
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@gmanfirmness @JoshuaTCharles Turek admits he was not well formed and didn't think he was "hearing the Gospel"
Perhaps one could say, 'Protestants who take their faith seriously might become Catholic.
Catholics who don't might become Protestant "
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@JoshuaTCharles Scott Hahn is not particularly impressive, and Mike Gendron is not the most prominent convert to Protestantism as far as I can tell. You would have him over Frank Turek, Matthew Barrett, etc.?
I think you are relying on your algorithm, but calling it "reality."
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@KKnispelPzkpfw @JoshuaTCharles If you haven't discovered The Journey Home - it exists primarily to help pastor converts.
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@JoshuaTCharles That’s where I’m at. Protestant for decades but the more I dig the more Catholic I am becoming. I challenge people to read The Lamb’s Supper and Hail Holy Queen by Scot Hahn. Any objections I had were answered.
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@CountKylt @SandyofCthulhu I have noticed that what used to be called "Female bullying" or now Indirect Bullying has exploded this generation.
Kids can't hit - so they do all kinds of horrible backstabby manipulative social bs. Maybe Dueling isn't the answer, but I can now understand how we got there.
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@SandyofCthulhu >kid gets punched
>Kid gets punched back
>Kid finds new person to punch
>Kid gets punched back
>Eventually kid learns he cannot solve his problems by punching people
There should be parental intervention and guidance, but actions NEED consequences or kids won't learn.
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Do the thought experiment of what happens if an aggressive kid is never hit back for his crimes.
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@SandyofCthulhu Yeah - you tell your parents to go hit their parents!
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@BelteshazzarAD @AN1Guitarman I used to be an anti-Catholic bigot, too
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@AN1Guitarman Of course it scares Catholics. They hate the Word of God and argue against it constantly.
I destroy false doctrines of the Catholic Church with the inspired Word of God all the time.
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lol he has a (likely) abridged Catholic book and says it scares Catholics
ꜱᴀᴠᴇᴅ ɢᴜʏ🩸✝️@GuyJackson777
The papist fears the Sword
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@SlaveToChristYt @TheBasedTrinity Jesus literally says "You are quite wrong"
Mk 12:27
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@TheBasedTrinity Baptism is mostly symbolic and never saved or removed sins. Only god forgives sins, and Jesus mediates them on our behalf.
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Why was Jesus baptized if baptism is for the remission of sins?
Corey@pharmboy56
@CatholicDrip___ Wow. How wrong can you be? Why did Mary give a sin offering after Jesus was born?
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@CatholicKyle @lukei4655 Yeah, like his evidence not being reviewed or considered.
It is a huge mistake to think the Law works on any kind of common sense. There are many more magic words, and none of them are "please"
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@timothyjphelan I did a mission trip near Sendai. The small Baptist church there offered free "English conversation" classes with the Japanese and English Bibles.
They weren't aggressive, but that was over 20 years ago.
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Gees.
Students in Sendai are being approached near stations:
“Want to study foreign culture?”
“Want to study the Bible?”
Then they’re pressured to exchange SNS contacts.
If your evangelism makes students need a warning email, you’re doing it wrong.
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@TheIambicPen Yeah, the same Oneida as the tableware company.
Kellogg was likewise nuts - and not just in the cereal.
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@TheIambicPen If you keep in mind that Mormonism is the fruit of the Second Great Awakening protestantism - it has more in common with Jehovah's Witnesses (shunning/disfellowship), 7th-day Adventists (Investigative judgement) - or look up Oneida sometime (weirdly strict but also Polygamists)
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I read a sermon from our local Episcopal priest. Very warm and affirming. God loves and forgives you. The story I want to be true. But it’s a story, just like the hellfire and damnation story. We don’t really know what God is like.
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