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VetoCampaign
@VetoCampaign
The VETO option, like NOTA, but better → triggers a rerun when chosen by over 50%. Please sign the petition: https://t.co/vfGY1MfimU
United Kingdom Katılım Mayıs 2025
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It doesn't make sense to force the diversity of views within a constituency into a single MP.
Much better to have multi-member constituencies, so (almost) everyone can have someone they voted for, and also someone to choose to represent them on any major issue.
Also, of course, competition between members of the same party - a switch from parties choosing the MP to parties choosing the candidates.
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The point of the veto is to optimise governance.
If constituencies cannot elect a single member majority support then
These "constituencies" are not really constituencies, as a majority cant be represented because either, such a system is impossible, or the electoral commission is incompetent and bounded mutually antagonistic populations together.
It's impossible to govern in such a system in such a way as to serve the majority.
The end result is that high use of veto will demand a better electoral system, usually some type of PR or the EC will have to redraw constituency boundaries in such a way that a majority can be represented.
A PR system will require veto, otherwise it won't govern in a way that will maximise the common good.
The way veto functions in PR, depends on the type of PR, the principle of it's use is outlined below.
PR necessitates a veto option since it allocates all seats without ensuring representation for all potential voters, risking the election of MPs who represent no one.
It still allows for voting for the least undesirable, and it has the potential to provide small minority parties a disproportionate influence over policy that the majority oppose.
PR didn't stop Germany from kneecapping itself.
The principle that applies is that a percentage VETO results in the same percentage of empty seats.
For example, if there is a 30% veto, then 30% of the seats will remain empty. The rest are assigned as per vote share.
This arrangement retains proportionality, allows more voters to be represented in future elections, and keeps pressure on elected MPs to do a competent job; otherwise, even more seats will become empty.
There's no way around requiring the majority's consent to optimise governance.
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@Sc_Meerkat @VetoCampaign It is, of course, obviously possible that no-one can be elected.
There are rank preference systems without any stable equilibria.
These clowns haven't done basic reading in this field.
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@BlusherBetty Who are you to veto the veto?
Why do you get a veto and no one else?
Silly.
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PR necessitates a veto option since it allocates all seats without ensuring representation for all potential voters, risking the election of MPs who represent no one. It still allows for tactical voting and voting for the least undesirable, and it has the potential to provide small minority parties a disproportionate influence over policy that the majority oppose.
PR didn't stop Germany from kneecapping itself.
The principle that applies is that a percentage VETO results in the same percentage of empty seats. For example, if there is a 30% veto, then 30% of the seats will remain empty. The rest are assigned as per vote share. This arrangement retains proportionality, allows more voters to be represented in future elections, and keeps pressure on elected MPs to do a competent job; otherwise, even more seats will become empty.
There's no way around requiring the majority's consent to optimise governance.
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@VetoCampaign What a pointless idea. If you just vote veto, no one gets elected, so no government. The only way to get a majority is something like AV where second and third preferences come into it or instead PR where everyone's preferences are represented.
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@Lurtarrak147654 If democracy doesn't work then we are screwed no matter what.
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@VetoCampaign What if the majority is too stupid to know better, don’t research on their own and are lawless?
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A majority have to want it.
What are you even saying?
The political system is so crap a majority of voters will choose to veto all the time and nothing will get better.
The premise is simple.
To serve a majority, politicians must be elected with majority support.
If you elect people with minority support, they will serve a minority.
It's low hanging fruit with a simple fix.
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@VetoCampaign That’s a recipe for continual non-stop voting. Does anyone want that? Or to pay for it? Insanity.
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@simonpatkins @Sc_Meerkat It starts having influence as soon as the veto pool is greater than the margin of victory.
The winner knows they must expand their voting base and not screw over their voting base as they always have to earn their vote every election.
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@Sc_Meerkat @VetoCampaign It allows other candidates to come forward.
It is unlikley to ever win but when it does it will probably be because the voters thik there is an alternative in the wings.
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Imo, it exists to maximise the common good. Just using logic that must entail each representative must be elected with majority support.
A minority support MP, by definition, can only be serving a minority and be working against the interests of the majority.
A low hanging fruit to fix before anything else.
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@M0N57A @VetoCampaign Neoliberalism has killed the country. Enforced by Conservatives & current Labour government. Nothing to do with socialism. We need government that governs properly :
youtu.be/Fr7Ggx0-Jjw?is…

YouTube
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@inacentre We don't want to put any restrictions on voting.
If voters are unhappy they will signal with veto, no need to micromanage.
We think voters are sovereign and we treat them like that.
The people we want on a short leash are politicians.
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@VetoCampaign Only way to achieve this is to make it compulsory for people to vote.
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No, it doesn't count. I've checked.
Spoilt ballots are all lumped in together with those that are spoilt in error. In any case, they don't count towards anything.
Also, if it's not on the ballot as an official option then it makes it's use far less likely.
The VETO is the option that measures the validity of all other choices, so should be at the top of the ballot, if anywhere.
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@VetoCampaign We already essentially have that option.
“I do not consent, Ashby v White 1702”. That’s what you must write on your ballot paper for your Non Consent to be counted. Its not a ballot spoiler like anything else you might write
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@saylordocs Why dont governments with trillions at their disposal and the vast machinery of state not have it all fixed already?
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I genuinely don't understand people like Bezos and Musk.
If I had billions of dollars, I would just start fixing everything. Homeless veterans sleeping on the streets? Not on my watch. Hungry children going to bed with empty stomachs? Hell no.
They could be making life better but instead choose to build spaceships and data centers to pump stocks and destroy the planet
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@onmetod69123 Support an option to veto elections. If a majority of voters choose to veto. The election is rerun.
See more
c.org/PygyJJRRz9
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It also doesn't make things much better for voters.
In any case, it still needs a veto to maximise the common good.
The way veto applies in Stv is different in application than below, but the principle of empty seats still applies.
PR necessitates a veto option since it allocates all seats without ensuring representation for all potential voters, risking the election of MPs who represent no one. It still allows for tactical voting and voting for the least undesirable, and it has the potential to provide small minority parties a disproportionate influence over policy that the majority oppose.
PR didn't stop Germany from kneecapping itself.
The principle that applies is that a percentage VETO results in the same percentage of empty seats. For example, if there is a 30% veto, then 30% of the seats will remain empty. The rest are assigned as per vote share. This arrangement retains proportionality, allows more voters to be represented in future elections, and keeps pressure on elected MPs to do a competent job; otherwise, even more seats will become empty.
There's no way around requiring the majority's consent to optimise governance.
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@VetoCampaign The #SingleTransferableVote is a proven system of #ProportionalRepresentation
It would be much simpler & cheaper than this proposed veto system which might result in multiple votes having to be taken
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@Mac__xx The Swiss system is good.
We propose a simple change.
An option added to the ballot called "I VETO this election."
It triggers a rerun if chosen by a majority of voters.
Now noone can get elected without majority support.

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@MikeDun00212873 We propose the option be called
I VETO this election and be placed at the top of the ballot.
It rejects the election itself, but not necessarily the candidates.
So, voters maintain full flexibility on the changes they want.
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@VetoCampaign Student elections have them ReOpenNominations - I would be likely to vote for RON these days.
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@Ulysses21044987 So we shouldn't give more power to voters even though you know an oligarchy is in charge?
You even think a majority of voters will veto, but according to you, it's not worth bothering.
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More cost to the tax payers because the establishment want to ensure control of the uniparty system!
VetoCampaign@VetoCampaign
If you want a government that serves the majority, all MPs must be elected with majority support. Add a VETO option to the ballot that triggers a rerun if a majority of voters choose to VETO. Prevent minority rule and maximise the common good. Sign the petition to support:
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@FluffWingBirdie You have to reach back in history to find things to be angry about.
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