Victor 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

@Letha_Hughes @su43238279 @MentallyNathan @DHSgov And I believe it’s expected the Universe will “end” - I.e. there will be no more formation of stars and galaxies based on no more energy being left. Based on these, i lean towards that it’s credible if something has a beginning and and ending, there should be a creator?

I’d agree the Big Bang Theory is the “prevailing” cosmological model most supported by scientific evidence so far incl: — Hubble's Law: Observations that galaxies are moving away from us, suggesting a past point of origin. — Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB): The faint, leftover radiation from the hot, early universe. — Abundance of light elements: The observed amount of helium and hydrogen matches calculations of early universe nucleosynthesis.

‘Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people who he hath chosen for his own inheritance.’ —Psalm 33:12 May God continue to shed his grace on our great nation.

@Letha_Hughes @su43238279 @MentallyNathan @DHSgov We agree the universe started from the big bang?

@VictorDrek @su43238279 @MentallyNathan @DHSgov Source for this “scientific” take?

Why was the Holy Spirit not appointed as a god at the Council of Nicea? For 55 years, were there only 2 gods until the Council of Constantinople raised the status of the Holy Spirit to a god?

@su43238279 @Letha_Hughes @MentallyNathan @DHSgov What does this mean in the bigger picture? Scientifically we know the universe is not eternal as it had a beginning. The question I struggle with is, what was there before if there was no creator?

@Letha_Hughes @VictorDrek @MentallyNathan @DHSgov The idea of a God or creator developed for 2 reasons: 1. To help humans explain things far beyond their understanding (sun, stars, water, wind, day, night) and 2. To provide the framework for a cohesive communal living system.

@Letha_Hughes @MentallyNathan @DHSgov I’m still learning as I’m Curious what people view as evidence. Heard many perspectives: - A God has to appear: seeing is believing - a religious book containing no errors / contradictions Religious people say the universe is evidence itself of a creator

@VictorDrek @MentallyNathan @DHSgov Well, I’m open minded so, what have you got?

@Letha_Hughes @MentallyNathan @DHSgov In your view, what would constitute as sufficient proof of the existence of a god?

@VictorDrek @MentallyNathan @DHSgov I happen to agree with you there. But so far, there’s been absolutely no proof of any gods… only belief and faith.

@Letha_Hughes @MentallyNathan @DHSgov Multiple gods being worshipped does not necessarily mean they’re all false. One could be true.

@DHSgov Which god?

@SatyaJeee @TyrantOppressor How is Dalit different to other Hindus? Why do they specifically not want to be Buddhist?

@TyrantOppressor Not really but dalit don't want to be Buddhist.

Indians killed Buddhism.

@Jordan_MG_ On the flip side, don’t answer John 20:28?

Never heard a trinitarian Christian answer John 17:3….

@MasterMaliq Not the full. Some but it’s hard to follow and unlike any other book.

As a non-Muslims: Have you actually read the full Quran? What do you think about it?

I’m not a fan of these meme format information flow (maybe due to my age). However, I have for a while felt that these verses pose some uncomfortable conversations for Christians who abide by the trinity. It’s so often that unitarians are more commanding in debates.

There are many flaws with Ricky's logic

@vlNaive @DearXtian Why doesn’t KJV use the oldest manuscripts? Is it not problematic if verses are just discarded?

@VictorDrek @DearXtian The KJV does not use the oldest manuscript for translations. Modern translation like ESV, NIV, NASB use the oldest manuscripts like vaticanus, sinaiticus. In which the oldest manuscripts does not have those verse.

Check your Bible

@FutbalTangents @JeffPinyan @nasafism Interesting. I’ve never thought the time concept. I guess it’s still a mystery if a different type of time exists outside of the universe

@VictorDrek @JeffPinyan @nasafism Because time is a concept valid for humans,not for an eternal being outside of time.Muslims also believe God created more than just humans.Humans having free will is why they need revelation.Without freewill guidance is unnecessary since they act in accordance with God by default

This is why Islam offers the most balanced and coherent view on history and salvation.

@Picklerigi @DearXtian Who makes the decision to do that?

@VictorDrek @DearXtian They don't fully remove them. They add them as footnotes on pages with context as to why it it's not on the text itself, such as textual variants or debated sources

@2fort4 @Edenlife9 I’m not fussed where it is. I don’t have a horse in this race.

@VictorDrek @Edenlife9 The correct question is “where is the injil?” Conveniently lost. No “weakness”. No “falling apart”. Try again abdool

The Islamic Dilemma explained: Christians cannot abandon the Old Testament because the Lord Jesus tied them to its authority. Muslims cannot abandon the scripture because Muhammad/Allah tied them to its authority. Now, if the scripture is true, Muhammad is a false prophet, therefore Islam is false. If the scripture is not true, Allah/Muhammad is a liar, therefore Islam is false.

@adejoodaudu @Edenlife9 I have no idea where you’re going with this nor how it’s related to the conversation.

@VictorDrek @Edenlife9 LOL. The word Injeel (إنجيل), originates from the Greek word euangélion (εὐαγγέλιον), meaning "good news". It was adopted into Arabic through the Classical Syriac form ewangellīōn (ܐܘܢܓܠܝܘܢ), found in the Peshitta. This is how we begin to know that the Qur'an is suspect.

@adejoodaudu @Edenlife9 From my reading they say it’s the scripture given to Jesus.

@VictorDrek @Edenlife9 What is the injil?

@JeffPinyan @nasafism Agree that this is unhelpful. One could change the words and ask why Islamic God waited so long to bring humans and give revelation?

@nasafism I’m genuinely interested in hearing you give an explanation, rather than just a one sentence claim.