Forlorn Memory

Here's my recent anatomy and shading study. #pixelart #chainsawman #ドット絵

@SibeyVT > are you not just copying work that has previously been created to learn how to draw or paint? No, we don't just copy work that has previously been created.

@Vinent17 No what?

I have a question for Anti AI artists? When you do to school and learn how to draw, paint, sculpt, and what not….are you not just copying work that has previously been created to learn how to draw or paint? And if you take that skill of drawing and then start selling your drawings after learning how to draw in someone else’s work and making money on it are you not being hypocritical towards AI for doing the exact same thing? I’m genuinely curious what artists have to say on this, no animosity here, I’d really like to get some input and some insight into why artists think AI steals when it was given data that was purchased from sites like Deviant Art over an artist learning from a book or a teacher for whom they have bought or sold their knowledge for you to learn as well. I’d love to debate this, but any trash talking and attack is not going to be accepted, please be respectful and don’t let emotions take over.

@TheTheaterDork @Ih8fatpe0ple @catgirlprostate If you are born a man and identify as a woman, you're still a man. Regardless on whether you use the term to describe yourself or not. It's not any different than other adjectives of tall or short. They are just descriptive words meant to explain some of who you are.

@Ih8fatpe0ple @catgirlprostate If you are born a man and still identity as a man then you therefore identify as cis. Regardless on whether you use the term to describe yourself or not. It’s not any different than other adjectives of tall or short. They are just descriptive words meant to explain some of who—

Cis people genuinely think that the way being transgender works is you decide you wanna be a girl one day, march into a hospital and go "one girl surgery please, sir!" And you wake up 12 hours later looking like a woman

@OJ23s @AjaTheEmpress @DailyMail Would you consider East-Asians white too?

@Vinent17 @AjaTheEmpress @DailyMail Yh, they look pretty white to me

Teenage gang who lured schoolgirl, 15, to underpass and laughed as they filmed themselves raping her handed youth rehabilitation orders trib.al/RkAJsUQ

@tinyrowlet If you pass, you can go to men's restrooms no problem. If you don't, it's best that you stick to women's restrooms. What's confusing you here?

as a trans man i'm not allowed to use the men's toilet now because it says F on my birth certificate but i'm also not allowed to use the women's toilet because i may cause distress for looking like a man.... WHERE TF DO YOU WANT ME TO PISS????

@OJ23s @AjaTheEmpress @DailyMail The gypsies?

@Vinent17 @AjaTheEmpress @DailyMail But they’re white

@AjaTheEmpress @DailyMail As long as you're non-white, sure, no one will stop you.

@DailyMail So is rape in the UK basically legal now?

@Ron_BWL @bmodoart @alexvai93 If that's the case, what makes you think the promter's "skill" even matters?

@Vinent17 @bmodoart @alexvai93 Short answer: No. Long answer: LLM "AI" isn't a magic tool, even the same prompt will produce different results upon each reroll. You're pretty much playing a gacha game, and sometimes the system even bugged and generate garbage too.

"Gen ai is theft" What is being stolen? "My work is being used without my consent" If you didn't want people to see and use your art for inspiration then why did you post it? "It takes no work to use Gen AI" This isn't even true. These images require the creative input of humans to exist.

@KingArPharazon @RevenantRicter @MentisWave How do you debunk a political movement?

@RevenantRicter @Vinent17 @MentisWave That is supreme cope. I actually started my YouTube channel with debunking libertarianism. My first ever video series was me reading an ancap book chapter by chapter and debunking it. There is no possible reality where I would have become libertarian

The thumbnail tells on itself.

@Ron_BWL @bmodoart @alexvai93 Okay, here's a question for you. Can I copy someone else's prompt and get result just as good, while, perhaps tweaking a few things to better suit my needs? And if I do, can I be considered a good AI artist?

@Vinent17 @bmodoart @alexvai93 You're literally describing a toddle scribbling on the paper vs. an actual artist. Anyone can prompt, but only experienced one can get decent and consistent result out of it. Pretending it's not a skill is simply disingenuous.

@Mikolypsis For the last five years at least there was a strong push to exclude the gender dysphoria from the criteria of transgenderism. Indeed, overwhelming majority of today's "trans" people either don't have it, or falsely believe that they do. This is all very sad.

He’s getting flamed by trannies in the comments for revealing that it’s just a fetish💀

@priestessofdada @petergostev What a bunch of nonsense.

You're anthropomorphising the machine. The machine can't create anything. It doesn't have intent. It is entirely inert, until it is guided to a statistical conclusion by a human being. The amount of work the machine is doing is beside the point. Tools get better. And now they're getting smarter. But they are still just tools, and the outputs vary considerably, based on the skill and sensibilities of the operator. The machine is corruptible, it can be bent. It can be broken a hundred or a thousand different ways, and that what we have historically called "technique." That makes it art. That makes it valid. Otherwise, you're erasing human intent when we have these discussions. And that's not okay. Cultural familiarity should not be the thing that decides what art is. If it was, we would still be painting with shit in caves.

After this viral 'AI Monet' post, there’s been a lot of discussion, soul searching, accusations about the nature of art and AI art. When looking at a Monet, the mistake people make is that they are attempting to judge the painting on its pure artistic quality and they assume that other people admire it because it must be ‘good’ in some clear way. And when they deep down don’t think it is ‘good’, they either doubt themselves or think that everyone else must be an idiot. In reality, while the underlying ‘quality’ of art is definitely part of it, the reason why some art is admired and valued (sometimes in tens of millions $) is not because it is ‘better’. The reason is because it is part of history. In fact not just part of history, it _is_ history - it created a part of our culture that did not exist before. Prior to Monet and the Impressionist movement that he was an intrinsic part of (alongside many like Pissarro, Renoir, Morisot) - there are no paintings like this - this concept just did not exist. It is hard to believe now, but the fact that you can go outside, take a bunch of paint brushes with you and create an ‘impression’ of what you are seeing not in a literal way be the way to feels to you, was just not a thing before The Impressionists did it. Art now is not so influential as it was in the 1800s - it was a core part of culture, funded by the royalty and the aristocracy. So when Monet & Co came to the scene, rebelled against the establishment french art academy, rejected the ‘correct’ art of the time and started doing this??? This was a shock, scandal, a mini-revolution. The paintings you are seeing in the museums are not there because the are ‘good’, ‘pretty’ or ‘technically proficient’ - the are part of history, they _are_ history, they are a physical manifestation of our culture. It almost does not matter how 'good' they are (which you can really debate for some of them). The fact that you can’t tell whether it is AI or not, is really not relevant. There have been forgeries for many decades that were not pained by the great masters and many art professionals often couldn’t tell them apart either, especially without deep forensic investigation (e.g. analysing if this paint existed during the artists' time). Forgeries are not worth much, despite being demonstrably just as ‘good’. For a while now you can also get pretty good human-pained reproductions of pretty much any painting for a few hundred dollars from China, and I bet I wouldn't be able to tell them apart either. The reason why the originals are valuable is because they are the actual bits of history. They changed something important about the world. These items were once the pinnacle of human culture, they change art forever and that can’t be recreated. Art is valuable for the ideas that it births and the cultural influence it has. When a new idea is born through a piece of art, once it is out there and it has cultural impact - any further imitations of that idea have much less ‘value’, even if they are technically just as good or even better. It doesn’t mean that you should only own the true original pieces, I love art and I would absolutely own and value ‘derivative’ pieces that I love, but I don’t expect them to be worth millions even if it is ‘better’ than a Monet in some way. If by 'AI creating art' we mean completely independent AI creation, then my gut reaction is that it is unlikely. Not because of technical reasons like that it can't do anything outside of the distribution hence can’t do something new. I think it actually can and would certainly could in the future. The problem comes with cultural relevance that this is, by definition, a fundamentally human domain. Humans are interested in other humans, their triumphs, tragedies and intrigues. I don’t know of any famous 'AI players' in chess or go, despite AIs already being better than humans at it. In the same way, ants are not impressed by human architecture simply because it is 'better'. It is not what they are wired to care about, so they prefer their own anthills to our cathedrals. My bet is that humans would care about what other humans have to say and this is where the value would come from. It doesn’t mean to say that humans can’t use AI to say something new and unique. We see this everywhere already - from memes, to fan art or pet comic books - but the reason why this resonates not because of AI, but because humans are giving it meaning. So if you love art like me, or you are an artist, don't despair - humans will always care about unique things that humans do. So when AI can create a Monet in 30 seconds, your uniquely human ideas will be valued a lot more.

@bmodoart @alexvai93 No, it really doesn't. As long as you can talk and string at least three words in a sentence, you can write prompts. The difference in the result quality between a person who's just started and an experienced "ai artist" is nonexistent. Therefore it's not a skill.

@alexvai93 Prompting is an acquired skill just like picking up a pencil and drawing is a skill. I don't compare the two, but I do acknowledge that AI art requires creative input on the side of the user for those images to exist. Not the same skill, but a skill nonetheless.

@bmodoart > These images require the creative input of humans to exist. So does commissioning an artwork from a real artist. Does it mean we should praise all our clients for doing the hard work of writing down their requests?

@bmodoart > If you didn't want people to see and use your art for inspiration then why did you post it? There's a difference between getting inspired by a picture and using it to train a machine that will print thousands of similar pictures in the span of a day.

@foreverdone1982 @lunamuse_ I wonder what liberals and lefties did meanwhile.

@Vinent17 @lunamuse_ Feminism destroyed the social fabric of Western countries. I will die on that hill.

@YorSkyDaddy I feel like that's another extreme and it's not any better than what proAI folk say. I mean, you're entitled to your own opinion and can blacklist anyone. But you aren't winning any arguments by leaving the discussion. You win them by proving it's better to give you money than AI

Hot take: If you use Gen Ai, every artist SHOULD black list you. You've already proven you have no problem stealing and no respect for the arts so why shouldn't they avoid you at all costs? Art is a luxury that can be withheld. VTUBERS I'm looking at you especially. 👊

no FUCKING SHOT 😭😭😭😭

@celestececl Could you give a definition of homophobia that actually sounds like a mental illness and then provide an example of people called homophobes doing it?

solo falta que la homofobia empiece a ser clasificada como un transtorno mental y el mundo estaría mil veces mejor

@_wwetta_ @ne_tvoyfotograf Not all rapists are men though. There are a few high profile examples of female rapists.

@ne_tvoyfotograf – скинь мне пару фото реальных примеров – *скидываю* – ну это меньшинство пупупу схожая риторика с насильниками мужчинами не находите? не все мужчины насилуют женщин но все насильники – мужчины. та же история с трансами. глупо это просто отрицать

меня особенно поражает как женщины тысячелетиями добивались независимости свободы хотя бы банального уважения. но трансы пришли и за СЧИТАННЫЕ годы все отобрали и стерли старания женщин. огромная проделанная работа опять изничтожена мужчинами но под другим "воук" соусом 😫😫