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Yan

@YanLiuSZ

Katılım Ekim 2025
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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@Liangpierzi @Bluebearmonkey @hyperphonk If you are talking about the growth from the past, China is remarkable indeed. However there are things where China is still behind: most of the labors are not publicly insured. Extremely long working hours. Exploitation and misconduct are common.
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crooked boe jiden@Liangpierzi·
@YanLiuSZ @Bluebearmonkey @hyperphonk So no, China does not have worse welfare than comparable countries. I'm sure if you looked at labor welfare (in terms of growth in real incomes, workplace mortality rate, etc) and compared it to other middle income countries, you would find China is doing better then them as well
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словянский гиперфонк@hyperphonk·
"China is socialist" is such a cope. It's a hypercapitalist state obsessed with money, money, business, business, capital, stocks, investors. Social welfare is minimum. Workers rights are abused. VAT, IIT and Corporate tax are on average lower than in developed European countries
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Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
@YanLiuSZ 傻逼… 我文革时代江西出生的.
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Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
This is the first time in decades where there are actually large segments of the economy in recession. But that does not mean the trend lines are not still up and to the right. China is equalising quickly with poorer provinces growing faster. Shenzhen complaints are gay.
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@Bluebearmonkey @hyperphonk I am talking about the current trajectory, 2022 onwards probably. I grew up in Shenzhen during the golden time and there is no denial that was a miracle. People are optimistic, getting wealthy and do see things in improvements in every way. However many things are no longer true

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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@Bluebearmonkey I hate China always attracted the worst westerners.
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Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
@YanLiuSZ Pretty much. Retirement hobby. Beijing fishing sucks.
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Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
@YanLiuSZ I’ve been working in and out of China probably longer than you’ve been alive. I’ve seen it all.
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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@MeowZe_Dong @Bluebearmonkey Love how the whole echo chamber switched the whole narrative. I care about Chinese people not being able to get basic worker rights and law protections. It wasn’t like this until probably 2014-15
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PeterSullivanish
PeterSullivanish@SpaceGrenadier·
@YanLiuSZ @Bluebearmonkey @hyperphonk You can’t have property value going up at 25% a year forever. Shenzhen and Shanghai bros are a little too greedy in that respect. Your assets haven’t inflated the way they did in the 2000’s, sure. But your wages on average still went up in the 2020s.
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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@Bluebearmonkey @hyperphonk I am talking about the current trajectory, 2022 onwards probably. I grew up in Shenzhen during the golden time and there is no denial that was a miracle. People are optimistic, getting wealthy and do see things in improvements in every way. However many things are no longer true
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Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
@YanLiuSZ @hyperphonk 😐
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@DesmondShum In the past 10-70 years, China’s household consumption grew faster than every single economy… all 194 of them… by a country mile… 2x that of second place South Korea. I suppose it could have grown faster if you were in charge… but burden of proof is on you.

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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@Bluebearmonkey @hyperphonk The working hours got longer. The disposable income lower. And companies are like you said, not profitable. Then what’s the whole point of all these? Bc of that, Chinese companies are expanding overseas like crazy. Leaving capital + shrinking domestic markets = welfare lost.
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Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
@YanLiuSZ @hyperphonk Like I said… that is not the only way to compare welfare.
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@hyperphonk China has a massive social welfare system. The SeeSeePee keeps the market hyper competitive. Companies are not very profitable. It all goes to consumer surplus enjoyed by all, not profits enjoyed by a few shareholders.

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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@Bluebearmonkey @hyperphonk The welfare system in China including its workers right protection are one of the worst amongst the same tier economy. Do you know how many Chinese are not covered by basic insurance? Maternity leave? Barely existence. Paid holidays? Five days per years.
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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@favelaoverlord Capitalism can generate welfare before it hits the structural upper bound. China is approaching that soon. China has zero tax on capital gains and wealth even the inheritance. The general public already has very little disposable wealth. The future is dim.
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Mr. S.T.A.R.@favelaoverlord·
China is a ruthlessly pragmatic developing nation obsessed with social welfare outcomes that has determined that the best way to improve social welfare is to improve the upstream economy; something immediately obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills.
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"China is socialist" is such a cope. It's a hypercapitalist state obsessed with money, money, business, business, capital, stocks, investors. Social welfare is minimum. Workers rights are abused. VAT, IIT and Corporate tax are on average lower than in developed European countries

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Blue Bear@Bluebearmonkey·
@hyperphonk China has a massive social welfare system. The SeeSeePee keeps the market hyper competitive. Companies are not very profitable. It all goes to consumer surplus enjoyed by all, not profits enjoyed by a few shareholders.
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Sesccfgjk@Oldhankdoneit·
@hyperphonk China has the same or better working conditions then any other countries of it's GDP per capita and industries level
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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@astramanteion @hyperphonk The ruling class installed their son and daughter into the board of the capitalist. That’s a different part of the story. Best way to evaluate China is always: are the worker’s rights protected?
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astramanteion@astramanteion·
@hyperphonk China's capitalists have no political power as a class, private sector is highly regulated, development is centrally planned, and the state directly controls key strategic sectors. China is socialist but not welfarist.
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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@jindoe168 @garrulous_abyss 英国的衰弱就是典型的去屈服于国际游资的下场。哪门子的社会主义国家会放弃自己国家的工业？把自己的经济交给国际游资的下场就是英国的走向已经不怎么受自身控制。英国的经济数据可能会越来越好，但国民口袋里的钱只会越来越少，除了国际上各种在英国拥有资产的富豪。
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garrulous abyss🌈@garrulous_abyss·
我以前，一直以为英国的收入明显比法国高，或者说，至少以为伦敦的收入，明显比巴黎高。 但问了一些两国都待过的人，发现并非如此。 如果说英国小地方，至少还算低消费。伦敦是消费高收入不高，两头不占 但是也好理解，从产业结构的丰富、工业体系的全面而言，英国不仅不及德法，实际上也不及意大利
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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@garrulous_abyss 伦敦的极高薪毫无疑问是欧洲最多的。对个人所得税收是西欧最低的。但除了最尖端人士，英国的生活质量很低。考虑上物价和生活成本，生活质量与富裕的东欧国家接近，斯洛文尼亚，捷克等。
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Yan@YanLiuSZ·
@kimmonismus Chinese court has very little impact on law enforcement.
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Chubby♨️@kimmonismus·
This came as a surprise: "Chinese companies cannot legally fire employees simply to replace them with cost-saving artificial intelligence, courts in the country have ruled, setting a significant precedent for labor rights as automation sweeps the tech sector. A technology company’s effort to reassign and drastically cut the pay of an employee because their job could be automated by AI — which ultimately led to the worker’s dismissal — was deemed an illegal termination by courts in Hangzhou."
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