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@DGisSERIOUS In any case, just so everyone can see how ridiculous they sound, in theory, Spain should take back parts of Morocco as it used to belong to Hispania Tingitana since Roman times
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@ndakmcopa @Nassreddin2002 @unpococansad0_ I wasn’t talking about it being disgrace or not , I only mentioned that most of Spanish population have very little to do with Andalusian ancestry
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@ZNT22_ @Nassreddin2002 @unpococansad0_ I wasn't denying that. Moreso, I have said twice it's a disgrace it happened and should be considered a stain in Spain's history
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Ceuta and Melilla are part of Spain. They’ve been for centuries. And its populations want it to remain so.
But this is an ahistorical statement
Before Spain and Portugal conquered Melilla and Ceuta, the Marinid dynasty — capital in Fès — ruled over them. One of the many dynasties that constituted Morocco
I don’t understand why you don’t consider previous Moroccan dynasties as “Morocco” but you do consider a previous Spanish dynasty as Spain.
But to say that “Morocco didn’t exist before 1956” is historically wrong. The same dynasty that rules Morocco now, ruled Morocco during the French Protectorate, and has been in power since the 1600s.
Anthony M Anderson🇿🇲🇲🇼🇬🇧🇪🇺🇽🇰🇵🇸🇪🇭🇺🇦@A_Smart_Smarter
How many times are we going to tell you Ceuta and Melila have been part of Spain longer before Morocco existed?
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@ndakmcopa @Nassreddin2002 @unpococansad0_ That’s prove most of them were deported since they reached all these places
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@ZNT22_ @Nassreddin2002 @unpococansad0_ Of those who stayed muslim (or were forcefully converted), a majority were (disgracefully) deported/left, but Morocco wasn't the only region they went to, they also arrived at Oran, Algiers, Tunisia and Istambul
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@ndakmcopa @Nassreddin2002 @unpococansad0_ Most of them were sent off to Morocco or killed by huge numbers according to history books + their genetics almost dissapeared compared to German / French settlers
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@ZNT22_ @Nassreddin2002 @unpococansad0_ Nope? First of all, during the Christian conquests, many muslims stayed and converted (sometimes voluntarily and sometimes forcibly, reverse of the Al-Andalus period), so that'd be most of them
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@unpococansad0_ @lyra_dathomir @Nassreddin2002 No we didn’t , according to both history and genetics , not like you
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@unpococansad0_ @lyra_dathomir @Nassreddin2002 It was Iberian and North African population later got invaded by French and Germans who are your ancestors now
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@Moe__Syzlak Hope It helps. And the people from Ceuta and Melilla (including Moroccans) don't want to be a part of Morocco and see their cities become the same mess many escaped from.
Cosas que no creeríais 🇪🇸💚@CosasQueNoCreer
@Assaadtaha المغرب إسباني منذ عام 298 ميلادي!!
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L’Algérie 🇩🇿 « anticoloniale » soutient l’occupation espagnole 🇪🇸 à Ceuta 🇲🇦 et Melilla 🇲🇦 occupées
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Ceuta n'est pas un territoire espagnol au Maroc mais en Afrique, c'est déjà suffisant pour être constatable. Maintenant, ceux qui revendiquent ce territoire assument et envoient leur armée au lieu d'envoyer leurs femmes et leurs nourrissons mourir en mer.
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@Phoskitos1975 @Nassreddin2002 Roman Hispania was not Spain , Mauritania kingdom and cartage were older than Westerb European dogs entire’s history and owned Iberia long before Iberia or Europe existed
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@Nassreddin2002 If Morocco traces its roots back to the Idrisid dynasty (8th century), then Spain's historical roots go back to Roman Hispania (and Phoenician Spn). Double standards won't change the facts: Ceuta & Melilla were Spanish long before Morocco ever existed.
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@tormig @02Ssf @Nassreddin2002 It’s African land exists in Moroccan borders , deal with it English pig
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@02Ssf @Nassreddin2002 By definition, they are in Spanish land, bordering with Morocco. They are not on Moroccan land, they share a land border with it. It is that simple.
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@AdrienBoieldieu @Nassreddin2002 We don’t care International law created by European Pigs
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@Nassreddin2002 International law operates on claims by modern states not including premodern dynasties is because it would open a Pandora’s box of territorial claims that would be unresolvable. Does China get to claim northern Korea because of Tang? Korea parts of China because of Goryeo?
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@lyra_dathomir @Nassreddin2002 @unpococansad0_ Not your own ancestors, andalus population mostly got deported to Morocco or killed , most of you are French
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@Nassreddin2002 @unpococansad0_ Not uncommon in Spain nowadays to claim the muslim kindgoms as Spanish. Racists won't do it, of course, but many people do. It's part of our history and, despite the barbaric expulsion of a lot of people, many of those rulers and inhabitants are our ancestors, too.
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@Nassreddin2002 @unpococansad0_ Why shouldn't we? Most of Al-Andalus population were natives that converted into islam and then to Christianity. And we (most of us I'd say, not 100% sure) condemn all the acts of ethnic cleansing of the Iberian kingdoms against Muslims and Jews
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@Alab9898653 @Nassreddin2002 True but Spain held like 20% / 40% of Ceuta before 1860
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@Nassreddin2002 Not to mention both modern cities were only conquered in 1860 .
Melila for example was just the the small fortified citadel, now known as Melilla la Vieja
Rest was actually Moroccan.
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@ArmenianStalin Yeah Morocco is worse than colonial state who is part of nato and EU
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oh great another minority siding with world imperialism because they were gassed once
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Did you know Spain was one of the first countries in history to drop chemical weapons from planes? They did this to target civilians in Morocco. Systematically. They targeted crops, marketplaces, villages and farms and timed their attacks to maximise civilian casualties. There are higher cancer rates in northern Morocco where the attacks happened. Spain has never apologised. By all means commend Spain for their anti-Zionism, I do, a lot, but dont try to rewrite history. Be aware many of the people you are siding with are bigots who support colonisation, think it was good and want more of it. They are trying to sneak in racist propaganda during this moment of flux.
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@MrSquidOverlord Says the American dog who was created yesterday , self projection ?
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Spain has owned Meilla since 1497 and Ceuta since 1580.
Morocco has been in existence since 1956 and they have no claim to either.
They can go pack sand.
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@je_libere بعيدا عن حجتك التافهة المردود عليها في التعليقات اغلب مساحة المدينتين أخذت في القرن 19 يا مهرج
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حد يقول كسمك لاي واحد بيتكلم عن مستعمرات اسبانية في افريقيا الناس بالبروباجندا القومجية عايزة تقنعنا ان مدينتين تحت الحكم الأيبيري من 600 سنة من قبل ظهور الدول الوطنية ومفاهيم الاستعمار "محتلتين"، غصب عن رأي سكان المدينتين ومواقفهم وتوجهاتهم واختياراتهم
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Say it loud!
MOROCCO IS ALGERIA
GIBRALTAR IS SPAIN
CEUTA IS SPAIN
MELILLA IS SPAIN
ISRAEL IS PALESTINE
KOSOVO IS SERBIA
TAIWAN IS CHINA
CRIMEA IS RUSSIA
SUPPORT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HISTORY 🇩🇿🇪🇸🇵🇸🇷🇸🇨🇳🇷🇺
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