@brigade99759 @cremieuxrecueil If a party proposed to kill everyone who didn't vote for them, would you say "just vote for them, it's a no brainer, if everyone votes for them then we all survive"?
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@morallawwithin I mean this is just a suicide either way. Because I knew people are not THAT self sacrificial to make anyone survive, it just felt pathetic to press blue, as if there was any way I could save myself. Red makes you feel better before you die, and that's all the utility left here.
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If you press the red button, you will certainly die. If you press the blue button, you’ll die if and only if at least half of everyone presses blue. What do you do?
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@Mike_from_PA @SpaghettiKozak They followed democratic norms. Their leader fled the country, so they held a new election.
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@SpaghettiKozak Not do a coup with CIA help, follow democratic norms and allow electoral terms to end, vote out the politicians you don’t like.
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Ukraine has the worst allies. Remember this is the guy who said he'd support giving Ukraine Taurus missiles and just immediately reneged as soon as he got into office.
MAKS 25 🇺🇦👀@Maks_NAFO_FELLA
🇩🇪🇺🇦 Merz: "At some point, Ukraine will sign a ceasefire agreement; at some point, hopefully, a peace treaty with Russia. Then it may be that part of Ukraine's territory is no longer Ukrainian." "If President Zelensky wants to communicate this to his own population and gain a majority for it, and he needs to hold a referendum on it, then he must at the same time tell the people: 'I have opened the way to Europe for you'" "Zelensky had the idea of joining the EU on January 1, 2027. That will not work. Even January 1, 2028 is not realistic," Merz said.
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@WorldDomStudios @cremieuxrecueil The chance that the blue button saves is inversely proportional to the chance that the red button kills. You can't have both be "1-in-a-gazillion".
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@infraexplained Paris is a bot cheating, since the city limits don't include large parts of the actual city
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At least for Vienna the vast majority of what I would consider the important areas are net 0 or better for public transit
My guess is at least 50% of the population lives in a white or better area
Giulio Mattioli@giulio_mattioli
Very interesting new study finding that *even in large European cities*, in most places it is easier to access opportunities by car than by public transport arxiv.org/pdf/2604.01019 The exceptions are Paris, Zurich and the innermost parts of Milan and Barcelona
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Greek independence was like the first internationalist cause for Anglo liberals lol.
Al Carbo@carbo_al
I don’t think Greek independence should be celebrated in the United States of America
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Crazy how you’ll get looked at like Wokeity Woke Woke 3,000 if you treat men like fully sentient individuals capable of the same levels of cognition and awareness as everyone else, rather than lower life forms driven by pure instinct who cannot possibly be expected to THINK
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@Person012345 @Darthshadow25 @cremieuxrecueil An red is gambling with each other's life for no reason. You could just as easily assume blue is the status quo,and the red is just being evil for no reason, drafting a "kill everyone but me" list when nobody has to die with a large margin of error.
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@ZeroAltair1 @Darthshadow25 @cremieuxrecueil Ok but one is accurate. Red is the status quo. Assuming no one is forced to press blue , blue is simply gambling with your own life for no reason while red is just continuing your day as if nothing happened. That's how it is.
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@boulderfish @cremieuxrecueil All the while in reality 58% voted blue. If your prediction is so off, maybe it's you who doesn't understand their choices, given you saw no reason for the behavior over half of us followed.
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Nobody that actually understands the choices chooses Blue.
When you read the choices and *do* understand the choices, there is no reason to believe anyone would chose blue, because there's no reason to believe anyone wouldn't understand the choices.
That's not even a consideration.
Left edge seems entirely likely at that point.
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@Darthshadow25 @cremieuxrecueil You're right, it's just annoying that it's always reds that pull the "red is status quo" framing, when the reverse can just as easily be shown.
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@ZeroAltair1 @cremieuxrecueil Red kills no one. Blue kills no one. Whatever entity is forcing this game kills blues unless they outnumber red.
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@JohnDoeTheDoe99 @boulderfish @cremieuxrecueil Sure, but we are trying to find the best real outcome, not just one that keeps a particular person safe
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@boulderfish @cremieuxrecueil "okay, so we have the large flat area on the right. We should obviously aim there, we have a large wiggle room..."
"b-but what about the left edge? If we aim exactly precisely there with no margin of error, we could get the same result just lot harder!"
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No. The blue perspective is "Yeah I didn't really understand that I (and everyone else) could have just pushed red and lived with no risk, and I stupidly pushed blue... Oops.
Now I'm too embarrassed to admit that, so, umm... 'I chose blue because I'm a good person and want to help others! Only selfish jerks pick Red!'"
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@d0_6n @cremieuxrecueil Obviously the point of the experiment assumes there are only two choices, so blue and red numbers imply each other. You're just nitpicking
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@ZeroAltair1 @cremieuxrecueil Nope.
Blue players die from failing to reach 50%, even if not a single person pushes the red button.
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Besides the obvious conflict of collective vs individual goal setting, there also seems to be a conflict over how the scenario even looks like (mostly by insisting that your choice is the status quo, actually)
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@Tcho76521726 @TullamoreJew_ Pressing the red button is the equivalent of signing a "kill everyone but us" petition that's passed if it reaches majority.
Of course if you imagine red as default it would be suicidal to switch first, but if conversly blue is default, switching to red first is just evil
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@TullamoreJew_ Pressing the red button isn't doing anything tho, the red button literally does nothing.
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Alt hypotheticals devised by seething Reds invariably switch the decision parameter from Doing to Allowing, relying on your inability to spot what most of us intuitively understand to be acts with very different moral parameters
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone survived!
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@Isla_Island_ to note, because it came up before, obviously noone is locked onto a single point on this chart, and this is just one of many ways you can chart dynamics.
Also the parent - child labels don't imply actual ageplay, but a wider dynamic. The labels rarely give justice to it.
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@Isla_Island_ My guess the reason why it's less discussed is that maybe this is just the default heterosexual dynamic lol. Not sure. I find the genderswapped version of it very interesting, dominant girlfailure x eager to please guy helping her from the shadows
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