@Imaginaryant @excalipermx Fan creations are not fair use lol what. Fair use requires satire, commentary, or a very limited scope commercially.
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Zilnado
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Following cosplayers because it's an easy source of new figure drawing reference and artists because, well, art. Physically cannot stop shitposting.
In your walls Katılım Mayıs 2020
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@excalipermx fan creations would not be defined as piracy over here and are actually legally protected under Fair Use.......
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これが日本側が二次創作同人売買なんてもっとド直球で著作権法に反し、クリエイターの邪魔になる行為をやってなきゃ「日本人は遵法精神強いんだ」と胸を張って言えたんだけど、
「いい？私たちの二次創作は良い海賊版。あなた達ガイジンのは悪い海賊版なの」
をやってたら何の説得力もないんですよ。
旧守派@kyuusyuha_001
外国人の海賊版擁護を見て「ここまで遵法精神を持ち合わせていないのか」と驚愕してる
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@rierikawaii Tanya is an "Objectivist." I don't know if the translate software will get that, but it's school of philosophy Ayn Rand followed.
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幼女戦記。
主人公が極端な効率主義者で反共主義者。ちなみに設定上シカゴ学派を追従している。リバタリアンからすると微妙な感じかな？
Señor exprópiese@NoVive_Socialis
¿Como se llama este anime?
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@fool44922022 @momiji_manjyuu More or less. Selling bootlegs is reviled in western markets, it violates the same ethos that makes us tolerate piracy. If someone is willing to buy a bootleg, then they should buy the real product.
People who try to profit off piracy are often gone after by pirates themselves.
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@Zilnado @momiji_manjyuu 違法業者は取り締まられるべき、作品は広く容易に合法的にアクセス出来るべき、ここはおそらく誰も異論はないでしょうね。
それを現実に落とし込むにあたって、誰がどれだけの負担を負うべきかで揉めるだけの話なのでしょうね。
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日本人オタク「企業が定めたルールを守り企業が不利益を被らないようにしましょう。」
日本人オタク「企業のIPガイドラインはポーズなのでダメと書いていても二次創作で金儲けしても良いし訴えられるまでは合法」
これを同じ口で言ってるの不思議すぎる
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@fool44922022 @momiji_manjyuu We have entire media industries of our own, and countless creators. I don't think it can be asserted so easily that that is actually the track record of demonizing piracy. More important seems to be the crackdown on illegal vendors like Majikon, which westerns hate too.
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@Zilnado @momiji_manjyuu 日本では議論にもならず悪という話になり、それで著作権者の利益が守られて、新たな作品が生まれててきたという「実績」がありますね。
実績そのものを覆すのは困難では？
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@fool44922022 @momiji_manjyuu Using that alone as grounds to condemn piracy feels pretty weak, wouldn't you say?
This debate is not new in the West, it has raged on for decades. What being said, I was wrong: there is evidence to support piracy increases sales:
dsogaming.com/news/piracy-ac…
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@Zilnado @momiji_manjyuu 両方が同時に成立するというなら、どちらが優勢かという話なのでしょうね。
それだけで海賊版を肯定しろと言う根拠とするのは弱いでしょう。
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@fool44922022 @momiji_manjyuu It's just as verified as the notion that piracy reduces sales.
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@Zilnado @momiji_manjyuu それは数学的なり物理的に証明された理論ではないのでは？
あくまで未検証の学説の一つに過ぎないのではないでしょうか？
海賊版が役に立った事例の一つを挙げられても、犯罪者が良いことをしたというのと同じで、犯罪そのものを免罪するわけではないことに注意が必要ですね。
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@fool44922022 @momiji_manjyuu Actually there's an entire school of thought in the West that piracy increases demand.
Personally, I pirated Aterlier Sophie on the Vita to see what it was about. I enjoyed the game so much I started actually buying Aterlier games!! Id have never bought the Ryza trilogy otherwise
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@Zilnado @momiji_manjyuu 海賊版がなければもっと売れた可能性は否定できないのでは？
海賊版があった場合となかった場合で比較ができない以上、売れる作品が売れたという以上のことは言えないと思います。
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@fool44922022 @momiji_manjyuu This issue has been debated in the West for decades and it has generally been found even by the one distributing media that piracy does not actually suppress sales. In fact the case of Netflix purchasing the rights to heavily pirated movies with great success points the other way
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@Zilnado @momiji_manjyuu 同人誌は商業作品と基本的に競合しないけど、海賊版は真っ向から競合するという構造の違いは大きいのでは？
同人誌は商標作品とは全く別物なので。
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@ENJU1123PIPI First comes to mind Cyberpunk, honestly! My initial interest in Japan was from that, and is why I studied Japanese in high school. Then my enjoyment of Japanese media came as a natural extension of exposure.
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@LIGHTANGEL_EX Part of the problem is they're like a middle schooler suddenly entering a collegiate debate. Westerners in these spheres are VERY well versed in the philosophy and moral implications of piracy and the Japanese just... aren't.
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The japanese are not sending their best regarding piracy. Absolute NPC behavior.
なる@nalltama
Stop rape me(私をレイプするな) then, marry me(じゃあ結婚してくれ) No(嫌です) then, I'll kill you. and I'll have sex with your corpse(じゃあ殺して死体とセックスします) なんか考え方がこんな感じに思える。
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@excalipermx Legally Square Enix has not legal grounds to stop it and they know they don't. Reverse engineering like that is protected legally here. Our IP law is very complex and very well explored, and SE knows it very well and is used to how we do things
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その通りです。
海外の人々は、自分の権利の部分を主張している。それが認められるかどうかはともかく、その人の領域にある権利なら主張して良い。
日本のアニメ・ゲームファンは、スクウェア・エニックスの判断の権利を横取りしているのです。
彼らには「イエス」か「ノー」かを判断する権利がない。
LargeEgo@ego_large
@UDkHI4o41q12319 @ColdSteak @excalipermx @AllbonesJones Where is the “NO” from square enix for the Nier situation? Haven’t the Japanese been acting self righteous, trying to tattle to square enix? Is this not the same grey area as doujinshi that hasn’t had the copy rights holder notice yet?
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@jackass_mossa @Gabriel011Lima @magozone23 In Western, especially Anglo, cultures the concept of "someone has the right to decide" has far less moral weight than "what harm is caused"
Interestingly your Majikon scandal illustrates this: such a thing would have been immediately hated and attacked in the West.
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@jackass_mossa @Gabriel011Lima @magozone23 This is literally just not correct. Netflix proved this wrong. Crunchyroll proved this wrong. iTunes proved this wrong. Steam and GOG proved this wrong. Time and time again a legitimate option has come around that got people to go from piracy to purchasing.
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@Gabriel011Lima @Zilnado @magozone23 逆に言えば海賊版との競争に勝てないと判断されれば販売はされない
いつまで経っても盗品をやり取りする連中でしかなく、客にはなり得ない
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@higureshuuen @camiloos12 It is not generally considered theft. Even among people who oppose Piracy in the West very few would consider it to be theft. It is Copyright Infringement. And Copyright Infringement is considered a problem in proportion to harm caused.
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@Gabriel011Lima @jackass_mossa @magozone23 And if even places where Piracy is hyper normalized like Latin America respond to good pricing and good services the argument that piracy suppresses sales just falls apart.
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@jackass_mossa @Zilnado @magozone23 Entregue um bom produto por um preço acessível, que a Pirataria some na América Latina.
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because of its geographical advantage and resources africa should be the richest continent in the world and yet its the poorest
what could be the reason
Matt Morse@MattMorseTV
Global shipping efficiency could be drastically improved if Africa didn't exist:
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正直なところ、オタク文化の「続編を出してほしいから、株主になるし、コンテンツを終わらせないために、商品を買い支える」という動きとは異なり、「海賊版」というのは、その地域での商品展開を終わらせる行為なので、完全にやるべきでない行為なんだよな。
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