flaming dragon

This is NOT just about money issues. There is a fundamental failure of leadership, hence a lack of structure, communications, investment and progress that's wasted resources (including funds). It's got to the point where #swfc needs rebuilding from the ground up.

Only 2 clubs in the Championship have lost 20 or more games. I know what our #swfc excuse is. Can anyone explain theirs?

@robstaton Or the EPL should merge the current championship and the top 16 clubs in D1 into the EPL 2 (Ladder), as in the Scottish and Nations League. Bottom 4 go down to Nat Lge. Top 12 have a televised league play off during the last 2-3 months of the season. Top 3 promoted. #swfc

@robstaton Time to put in the contingency plan, folks! EPL 2 and 3 (or North and South). With relegated clubs plus the top 16 clubs in D1 added into the EPL. The rest go into the National Lge and the EFL gets what it deserves. I know which way the EFL clubs will vote.

From yesterday… Sheffield Wednesday have hit rock bottom. Depleted squad, major infrastructure work needed. Where’s the advantage you need to guard against from them coming out of admin? #SWFC bbc.co.uk/sport/football…

@jimiclownshoes @NJB44 You mean the one who's not related to him?

@NJB44 No...but his uncle is

Bit rich this guy talking about incompetent ownership eh? #swfc

@djkyffin @DaleJohnsonBBC No. I'm not saying Arise or bust. They could refuse to grant us a license if we don't have our own ground. Rules have been changed because of what Leeds got away with.

@_Flamingdragon @DaleJohnsonBBC So basically are you saying its Arise or bust? Why would the EFL refuse to grant the license if they have already deducted 15 points? Didnt Leeds have similar scenario?

Sheff Wednesday fans thought they'd won the war. A new battle with the EFL has begun. 📌 "Credible threat" to 🦉 future 📌 Impact of -15 & sanctions 📌 Arguments on both sides 📌 EFL Policy & response 📌 Chansiri still casts heavy shadow ➕ More #swfc 👇 bbc.co.uk/sport/football…

@djkyffin @DaleJohnsonBBC Nope. If that happens the worst case (also most likely case) is that the EFL refuse to grant the club a license - in which case they would be liquidated. Selling the club for £1 is just some weird fantasy. If that happened, they'd also be expelled from the league.

@DaleJohnsonBBC Worst case creditors then sell the ground, Weds have to Ground share with Barnsley. Still not liquidated 🫥

@grassrootsrefJa Just one example of how EFL can and do exercise discretion against the 'rules agreed to by the clubs', thus contradicting your earlier point.

@_Flamingdragon That has nothing to do with a team coming out of administration

If the EFL don't follow the rules agreed to by the clubs then they are doing a disservice to the other 71 members. People complain about the Premier League supposedly favouring the big 6 so you can't have it both ways.

@grassrootsrefJa Perhaps you should look at the finding of the EFL Disciplinary Commission then sportresolutions.com/assets/documen…

@_Flamingdragon AI isn't always right. Dale has explained why the EFL have no choice but to insist on a points deduction.

@georgelerobot @DaleJohnsonBBC ** Macclesfield and Bury both went bust because no one was interested in buying them at the time.

@georgelerobot @DaleJohnsonBBC Exactly. Chansiri sank Wednesday more effectively than the EFL had managed with any club**. Then the EFL came in and - rather than recognising that no buyer could take their sanctions and business plans - is doubling down to ensure the club is not sustainable.

@WainwrightTM @AlanBiggs1 @punkchef41 The IFR cannot do that. If he was still the owner they could have taken the club off him and stopped it from being put into administration. But all they can do now is declare him to be unsuitable.

@AlanBiggs1 @punkchef41 Firstly I would try and get a steer from the head of the IFR on how they are likely to view this situation. There is no point in paying Chansiri a penny if the IFR may intervene & not see this a classic 25p in the pound matter after what DC did & his being the main “debt”

Wonder if the Storch group will try to negotiate with Dejphon Chansiri a buy-off of his debt? The most obvious (only?) way of avoiding -15 next season. And squaring off for all involved. Just a thought on a complex situation. #SWFC

@AlanBiggs1 Meanwhile the posturing / apparent intransigence from the EFL appears to indicate that they want 50% of the credit for forcing #swfc of business. A bad and unnecessary situation all round.

@medfootix Entirely down to the EFL who saw that the owner had weakened #swfc to the point where it couldn't compete. They saw it as their duty to preserve the sporting integrity of the league and ensured said team would not be able to compete fairly with anyone. Not this season or next.

📉 Most goals conceded in the Championship this season 1️⃣ #swfc — 76 2️⃣ #qpr — 60 3️⃣ #lcfc — 60 4️⃣ #hcafc — 56 5️⃣ #wbafc — 54 6️⃣ #sufc — 52 7️⃣ #oufc — 49 Defensive struggles costing points this season… 👀⚽ #Championship #EFL

@AlexJPMiller This is a path to mediocrity and rationalisation, that first of all guards against (prevents) investment and transformation.

@AlexJPMiller Shocking failure of governance. IFR is to ensure that the football club is financially sustainable but they step aside to allow the EFL to excessively punish the club with sporting sanctions. Then they insist that Storch has to put in place a 3 year, worst case business plan.

Updated: Bit more detail looped into this on information requested by the IFR - due at the end of the week - and when discussions with the incoming authority will commence. thestar.co.uk/sport/football… #SWFC🦉

@robstaton @AlexJPMiller Reight bag o' worms.

As per @AlexJPMiller's latest, understand Nick De Marco has been engaged by Arise, the David Storch-led bid team named as preferred bidder at Sheffield Wednesday, in the event of any legal matters arising from conversations with the EFL #SWFC

@austinloveridge @AlexJPMiller He's getting good support. But always expect some negatives.

@AlexJPMiller The comments on this post are shocking. Throwing negative feedback at a lad who's come in from the U21's, been available every game and has improved so much since he first started. Why can't we just support the lad?

Gabriel Otegbayo is a curious case. He's been learning on shifting sands this season at the heart of a carousel of personalities at the back. He's one of many jostling for position in the Owls' L1 rebuild - whatever that may look like👇 thestar.co.uk/sport/football… #SWFC🦉

@jimkyle90 @henrywinter Careful. You're falling flat on your face.

Sheffield Wednesday are one of the oldest football clubs in the world, their famous name woven into the tapestry of the game. Formed in 1867, elected to the Football League in 1892, founder members of the Premier League, four times champions of England, three times winners of the FA Cup, and the League Cup once. Such honours may be far back in history but Wednesday remain a powerful force in many lives, in families, communities, in Sheffield and beyond. It would be devastating to Wednesday supporters and deeply damaging to the reputation of English football if Wednesday lost their membership of the EFL because of the behaviour of an owner in Dejphon Chansiri who passed initial EFL ownership tests, was welcomed (let’s not forget), but turned out to be shamelessly irresponsible. Wednesday fans fear the club's existence might be at risk if the EFL imposes further punishments and restrictions that deter potential buyers. Stronger oversight of owners is clearly required and the EFL and PL did tighten their rules in 2023. The new Independent Football Regulator will introduce a proper licensing system for clubs and better oversight of owners. Unfortunately, the IFR did not come into force early enough to prevent Wednesday's downward slide under Chansiri. Wednesday are currently in administration and threatened with further EFL sanctions – a 15-point deduction for next season. This season's 18-point deduction all but guaranteed relegation from the Championship (confirmed on Feb 22). The League applies sanctions as punishment for debts and also as a deterrent to other clubs/owners. The EFL emphasises it is working with all parties to “try and find a solution that can see Sheffield Wednesday continue as a member of the League....but ultimately we have to also apply the terms of the League’s insolvency policy…which seeks to balance the interests, not only of Sheffield Wednesday, but also of the other 71 clubs”. Sheffield Wednesday Supporters' Trust, fighting hard for their club’s survival, has now released a copy of the EFL’s insolvency policy and argues that it gives the League, in the Trust’s words, “absolute discretion when determining how to deal with clubs experiencing an insolvency event”. The Trust argues that “…further punitive sanctions risk undermining the very factors the EFL states it must consider - including the effect on supporters, the impact on the local community and the wider credibility of the league itself. “Sheffield Wednesday supporters are not seeking advantage over other clubs. It is entirely right that all EFL clubs should be treated fairly and consistently. That principle must include Sheffield Wednesday that has already suffered enormously during a decade in which the EFL’s own regulatory oversight failed to prevent the damage that unfolded. “We urge the EFL to apply its own guidance responsibly and ensure that the focus now is on allowing the club to recover, stabilise and move forward under new ownership. Sheffield Wednesday supporters have suffered enough.” #SWFC #EFL @SWFCTrust