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@_brizal

🌊 Head of Growth @0xfluid | investing @daedalus_angels | posting inconsequential observations

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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
Bitwise x Ethena x Fluid x Jupiter This partnership brought together: - an >$11B institutional asset manager and etf issuer @Bitwise - the most scalable yield bearing stablecoin @ethena - the most innovative lending and risk infrastructure @0xfluid - the largest, distribution channel and brand in crypto @JupiterExchange 4 powerhouses in their own right. I've had the pleasure of spending the last several months talking defi, lending, rwa's and risk with the @Bitwise team. Countless nights nerding out with @0x_JMan on Defi, rwa's and their approach to underwriting and building products fit for institutional scale. Everyone sees the ETF's and the AUM, but it's awesome to see first hand the rigour and attention to detail that's in the DNA of what @hongkim__, @HHorsley and the Bitwise team has built. Defi is ready to transcend into Tradfi, and it's only possible if we can onboard institutions like them who can bring trust, credibility, distribution and scale. Today, we opened Fluid's technology to a third party asset manager for the first time.
Bitwise@Bitwise

Bitwise is continuing to dive deeper into DeFi with our first curator role on @Solana. We’re proud to partner with @ethena, @jupiterexchange, and @0xFluid to launch this new market centered around USDe. Capital markets are moving onchain, and we’re excited to help lead the way.

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Paymentscan@PaymentScan·
Neobanking Weekly Recap (18-24th May) Stablecoin cards saw an impressive $166.6M in volume this past week, just shy of the all-time high set a week prior. Top gainers: 🥇 @AviciMoney $1.421M (+40.5%) 🥈 @Hyperbeat $91.33K (+32.8%) 🥉 @Plasma One $889.7K (+23.8%)
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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
@mert @heart_ The Japanese watch scene at this price point is so underrated. My favourite rn is Kurono.
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mert@mert·
@heart_ longines, hamilton, seiko are all solid at that range. even mido is good and underrated
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am I missing anything? about watches under $3,000
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Seraphim@MacroMate8·
big personal update : i have relocated to Singapore 🇸🇬 and will be actively pushing Solana in Asia over the last few years i have become convinced that this is the asian century this is confirmed by the fact that majority of trading activity and tvl in crypto is asia based. my goal now is to bring these flows to Solana looking forward to the meeting everyone here and making singapore my home
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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
ETH Lite has never had losses, even during the deepest of bear markets when ETH borrow rates spike. Due to supply shock across Defi, withdrawals were paused, we're now back online. Set and forget while risk, leverage and liquidity are all managed for you.
Fluid 🌊@0xfluid

Lite ETH Vault operations are back to normal with 6.27% APR. Lite Vault users have experienced no losses, $25M withdrawal liquidity has been replenished, and all reserves remain fully verifiable onchain.

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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
@NaveenCypto we just went and launched the largest Defi institutional partnership (in $/tvl) much more coming.
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Smartmoney_Detective@NaveenCypto·
For Fluid, this is one of several institutional partnerships in active development. More announcements are coming. So many HUGE things are happening behind the scenes ethereum:0x6f40d4a6237c257fff2db00fa0510deeecd303eb
Fluid 🌊@0xfluid

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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
@litocoen stands out more too, every app has a visa signature now
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lito@litocoen·
it’s interesting that coinbase chose AMEX for the coinbase one card merchant acceptance outside of the US is really low as they charge higher fees and the userbase is too small to incentivize merchants to cop them many ATM’s dont accept it etc. must be aimed at US mainly
bsmokes.eth@bsmokes

Gotta say the @coinbase One card is fucking horrendous for traveling. Constantly not processing at payment (and not because it’s an AMEX). Hasn’t been accepted once in Turkey. About 50/50 acceptance in Mexico.

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lito@litocoen·
@0xfluid 0 losses after weeks of sky high ETH borrow rates is crazy work
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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
A few days later later, @solana is still trending on X ...just at very different levels
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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
Conflating aggregating debt from thousands of users positions to 1 team multisig as part of a planned and communicated process of repayment is out of this world lol. Let’s not forget the start of this was an Aerodrome community member who has regularly sparked brain debt beef with competitors (Uniswap, Fluid, every other dex), trying to rebuild Fluid DAO’s balance sheet and forgetting to add: revenue across all EVM chains, revenue on Solana, revenue on Lite vaults - the simplest step before making a public statement. FYI, hours after resolv we and investors pledged that users will not have losses. We went through a long and arduous legal process on behalf of our users to recover what we could from Resolv (others are still waiting to settle) which settled in court only a few ago. We immediately posted a post mortem and started cleaning out bad debt on Fluid, began aggregating revenue from all sources as we prepare for repayment and cleaned up all debt into 1 position so we can repay it. To try and grave dance during this process where we have been totally open and transparent is ridiculous. We have walked all users, community and related parties, hand holding them throughout this process. Users on fluid are whole, just like we pledged they would be from hours after resolv. To not give us even a moment to complete the repayment process and instead fud is beyond me. I hope no protocol or team ever has to go through bad debt, if they do I hope they do everything in their power to go out and fight for their users like we did and eventually are able to cover users losses and prevent socialisation just like we have. During this process I personally responded to 100s of DMs from people as we answer all questions honestly and candidly. Dmh + Samyak, probably more than that. Not once did these guys reach out before launching this tirade where they still haven’t accurately done the first step of summing up all assets. This is all about to be over anyway as repayment is about to be finalised and we move on.
Fluid 🌊@0xfluid

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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
sir, there have been multiple proposals that were passed and executed beforehand that went through this entire process. the one that "came 3 days late" was to liquidate DAO assets and nothing to do with the migration of debt. check this proposal executed on April 1st. fluid.io/gov/proposals/…
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Akhil | Stronghold Validator
"To execute, they replaced the bad debt with an unsecured credit line originally approved for another purpose." This erodes trust personally for me. The governance is a farce now and can never be trusted. A vote 3 days after you do something is a week too late. The final result makes sense but poor comms and contradictions from Fluid team/founder: - Said this did not happen - only treasury funds were then said they did use the funds approved by governance for another item - A governance is coming though we've already bypassed it but trust us - Team will cover the 1.5 mil windfall but now its 1 mil in future revenue
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letsgetonchain@letsgetonchain·
The aerodrome cabal is probably the most toxic and net negative force in this space On one side you have efforts like DeFi United, where the whole space rallied to scramble together coverage for Aave's bad debt after the Kelp incident. A collective response to a collective problem. On the other side you have Fluid, which made the honorable decision (with zero obligation to do so) to cover the ~$8m in bad debt that USDC and USDT depositors were exposed to from the Resolv incident. Alone. No external help. Putting users first. And what does aerodrome do? Instead of building anything resembling a useful product beyond their ponzinomics, they spend their time and energy trying to insinuate wrongdoing and cast doubt on Fluid's solvency (knowing very well that for any lending protocol, FUD around solvency is the most dangerous thing). From my read, and that is only what is public and what i can see onchain is that Fluid decided to cover the bad debt with their business treasury. Structurally identical to Aave using its treasury to cover the Kelp hack, with the one difference that Fluid is socering all the bad debt alone. To execute, they replaced the bad debt with an unsecured credit line originally approved for another purpose. This did not worsen the position of any USDC or USDT depositor. It transitioned the system from a state of bad debt to a state of solvency backed by an unsecured loan against Fluid itself. To suggest USDC and USDT depositors were put at harm through this step is braind dead. They transitioned from a state of bad debt of 8 m to being creditors to an 8m credit line to Fluid, which in the worst case (Fluid not paying it down) would place them in the original situation to begin with, a situation of 8m in bad debt. Obviously Fluid only did this because it is clear from their on chain treasury and the strength of their business that they can and will pay down that credit this week. Was it necessary to do it this way? Yes it seems clear they had to settle with Resolv quickly, and unwinding treasury positions in that timeframe wasn't feasible. Should they have communicated the intermediate step better? Probably, to prevent any confusion. In any case, instead of celebrating Fluid for choosing to cover its users (something vault curators on Morpho have not done) the aerodrome cabal desperately tries to spin it into a scandal. From where I sit, Fluid has consistently put its users first. This was the first instance of bad debt on Fluid lending market, but they also covered all losses in the Lite ETH vault that came from market conditions creating negative carry. Again, no obligation. Spiking ETH borrow rates are a known risk every staked ETH looper accepts in exchange for the elevated yield in normal regimes. Two different cultures. One builds, absorbs losses, protects depositors. The other tweets.
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rakka@rakka_sol·
lowkey jealous we don't have our own Solana defi drama too x.com/wagmiAlexander…
letsgetonchain@letsgetonchain

The aerodrome cabal is probably the most toxic and net negative force in this space On one side you have efforts like DeFi United, where the whole space rallied to scramble together coverage for Aave's bad debt after the Kelp incident. A collective response to a collective problem. On the other side you have Fluid, which made the honorable decision (with zero obligation to do so) to cover the ~$8m in bad debt that USDC and USDT depositors were exposed to from the Resolv incident. Alone. No external help. Putting users first. And what does aerodrome do? Instead of building anything resembling a useful product beyond their ponzinomics, they spend their time and energy trying to insinuate wrongdoing and cast doubt on Fluid's solvency (knowing very well that for any lending protocol, FUD around solvency is the most dangerous thing). From my read, and that is only what is public and what i can see onchain is that Fluid decided to cover the bad debt with their business treasury. Structurally identical to Aave using its treasury to cover the Kelp hack, with the one difference that Fluid is socering all the bad debt alone. To execute, they replaced the bad debt with an unsecured credit line originally approved for another purpose. This did not worsen the position of any USDC or USDT depositor. It transitioned the system from a state of bad debt to a state of solvency backed by an unsecured loan against Fluid itself. To suggest USDC and USDT depositors were put at harm through this step is braind dead. They transitioned from a state of bad debt of 8 m to being creditors to an 8m credit line to Fluid, which in the worst case (Fluid not paying it down) would place them in the original situation to begin with, a situation of 8m in bad debt. Obviously Fluid only did this because it is clear from their on chain treasury and the strength of their business that they can and will pay down that credit this week. Was it necessary to do it this way? Yes it seems clear they had to settle with Resolv quickly, and unwinding treasury positions in that timeframe wasn't feasible. Should they have communicated the intermediate step better? Probably, to prevent any confusion. In any case, instead of celebrating Fluid for choosing to cover its users (something vault curators on Morpho have not done) the aerodrome cabal desperately tries to spin it into a scandal. From where I sit, Fluid has consistently put its users first. This was the first instance of bad debt on Fluid lending market, but they also covered all losses in the Lite ETH vault that came from market conditions creating negative carry. Again, no obligation. Spiking ETH borrow rates are a known risk every staked ETH looper accepts in exchange for the elevated yield in normal regimes. Two different cultures. One builds, absorbs losses, protects depositors. The other tweets.

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curiousapple@0xcuriousapple·
@_brizal @stevienipz that’s why i think data people shouldn’t interpret onchain trace as it is there is much more to transactions than inputs, outputs and token transfers you should consider before and after for core state instead. that’s much better signal
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curiousapple@0xcuriousapple·
okay, this got interesting, hence looked into it. fwiw, this is a reassignment, and not a theft like FTX haha. basically, the USDT/USDC lenders initially said that 1,000 users owed them 8M. now they’re saying that a single entity (the multisig) owes them the same 8M. there’s no change in bad debt for lenders. you can think of it as the team taking an 8M credit line, repaying the lenders on behalf of those 1,000 users, and replacing that with an IOU against the team multisig, all in one transaction. 8M and who owes that is just reassigned. and now, as fluid is saying, this 8M liability is effectively being absorbed by the treasury.
beeshal 🌊@_brizal

Conflating aggregating debt from thousands of users positions to 1 team multisig as part of a planned and communicated process of repayment is out of this world lol. Let’s not forget the start of this was an Aerodrome community member who has regularly sparked brain debt beef with competitors (Uniswap, Fluid, every other dex), trying to rebuild Fluid DAO’s balance sheet and forgetting to add: revenue across all EVM chains, revenue on Solana, revenue on Lite vaults - the simplest step before making a public statement. FYI, hours after resolv we and investors pledged that users will not have losses. We went through a long and arduous legal process on behalf of our users to recover what we could from Resolv (others are still waiting to settle) which settled in court only a few ago. We immediately posted a post mortem and started cleaning out bad debt on Fluid, began aggregating revenue from all sources as we prepare for repayment and cleaned up all debt into 1 position so we can repay it. To try and grave dance during this process where we have been totally open and transparent is ridiculous. We have walked all users, community and related parties, hand holding them throughout this process. Users on fluid are whole, just like we pledged they would be from hours after resolv. To not give us even a moment to complete the repayment process and instead fud is beyond me. I hope no protocol or team ever has to go through bad debt, if they do I hope they do everything in their power to go out and fight for their users like we did and eventually are able to cover users losses and prevent socialisation just like we have. During this process I personally responded to 100s of DMs from people as we answer all questions honestly and candidly. Dmh + Samyak, probably more than that. Not once did these guys reach out before launching this tirade where they still haven’t accurately done the first step of summing up all assets. This is all about to be over anyway as repayment is about to be finalised and we move on.

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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
@stevienipz @0xcuriousapple correct, it's a 2 sided marketplace and instead of lenders being counterparty to borrowers with 0 value wstusr collateral, they became counterparty to the team who is in process of carrying out the communicated repayment process.
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Stevie Nips@stevienipz·
It seems like this is the point of confusion “In Fluid’s shared Liquidity Layer, LOC party = bad debt party (in effect). All suppliers/lenders in the unified pool share the same underlying exposure. The recent transaction didn’t create meaningfully “different parties”; it just restructured claims within the same pool.”
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beeshal 🌊@_brizal·
@0xcuriousapple noted, and i'm sorry for causing any undue concerns it's not the first time we've had a coordinated public attack from the aero folks based on mistruths and incorrect + incomplete data dms are open if i can ever help.
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curiousapple@0xcuriousapple·
yeah understood it once I saw the trace i know it’s none of my business but fluid getting defensive and aggressive is what made me worry as smol lender on fluid and look into it maybe moving onwards consider clarifying people’s accusations without pointing fingers haha no matter if and how much of those are true.
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