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@synblinkerfluid Cuts both ways, tho.

Sure, but in return, a lot of EV people on this app need to stop sounding like broken records about every single thing related to ICE vehicles and stop with the “holier than thou” attitudes. You guys care way too much about what other people drive.

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc You're the one bringing up range. I was talking about usable capicity. As in kWh I can use.

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc If you look at range in absolute terms you'll never win. Too many variables. Lucid is egregious and gets nowhere near rated range. You have degradation, you have a buffer. To me it seems pretty stupid to have a top buffer.

Test finished.

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@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc You don't. You get a higher range in the winter (relative to another EV owner) and similar in the summer. You come out ahead. Plus tesla is using a much smaller battery pack. they have much better efficiency. Look at how small a model Y battery pack is. Insane effiency

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Yes, but I paid for a 318 mile range EV. It would suck to pay for a 357 mile range EV but end up in the same place as someone who paid for a 318 mile one. You've been Musked!

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Ioniq 5 range. 318 miles. Model Y range 357. Take away some degradation and range loss with the model Y. Take away some buffer loss from the ioniq 5. They end up about the same and above 300 miles of range which is good. Tesla winter efficiency is unmatched

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc 🤖🤖

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc If the price is right.

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Yes and so will you if you buy a car that's sat at the dealer for more than 6 months. Your battery may not have been fresh to begin with when put into the car.

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Yeah, but you're carrying all this unused battery since 99% of Tesla charging is done at home.

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Tesla also tends to beat EPA so you don't exactly lose 10% of the range you paid for. And given you never discharge completely you can assume you never think about range if it's above 350 miles. Tesla also has longer ranges than competitors so it evens out

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Stop spamming your replies, brother.

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Tesla sells new cars from factory. Only time car goes into "inventory" is if sale falls through (payment or reject). Tesla often reduces inventory car prices by a few hundred instead of fixing reject issues (paint scratch), or turns into demo/loaner cars. Nice fresh battery.

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Yes, but you'll lose 10% of the range you paid for in a year.

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc You get access to the "range" you paid for but not the battery. I'd rather have the larger battery for road trips as 100% charge (4.2 volts per cell) won't kill your battery if you don't do it often. Again tesla doesn't use a top buffer because they sell new cars

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc As a consumer, why would I care as long as I get access to what I paid for?

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc you seem really slow. All this back and forth to not understand that other EVs with the buffer, eat into it to HIDE degradation. It's still there. A 85% range EV with a 10% eaten away top buffer likely has 75% capacity. You think your battery's good but it dies all the same

@whordano3o @future_yas 12k miles after 18 months?

I hear ya. Will test again and reply below with a pic tomorrow. 12k miles. Less than 10 full charges to 100%. I was of the same mind as you especially after putting 70k miles on my 2021 and feeling like I was watching degradation take place in real time. Like I said, feels like range is genuinely appreciating with my 2024 (18 months in)

Poof! A quarter of your range just disappeared. 🪄 76% battery health for a 2022 M3LR with 119k miles. The battery warranty is 8yr/120k miles, 70% degradation. It's like Tesla tweaked the battery chemistry in the last few years to just get you through the warranty. Of course they'll happily sell you battery extended warranty for $2000 - $2,800. Planned obsolescence vibes.

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Again, what is the issue with using this buffer to mitigate degradation?

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Bottom buffer. This is an "unusable" buffer. Other EVs have a top buffer that they eat away at and are only left with the unusable bottom buffer. There is a "usable" bottom buffer past 0% (before car dies) and unusable to never discharge the pack.

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Everyone warns against charging to 100%.

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc So, it's a buffer but not a buffer. Lololololol.

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc "There must be something to not completely discharge the pack." What is that?

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc I'm not. Health test shows 85% capacity. 85% is the worst cell. This includes the buffer intended at the pack level. It's semantics to only claim that's usable if other cells have 87% capacity and you can't use that 2%. That's true of any cell where batteries are in series.

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc You're contradicting yourself.

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc yes. Not much but when you drive the car until it shuts off (past 0%) there must be something to not completely discharge the pack. But the health test represents the gross capacity of the worst cell. There is an "unusable" capcity even by buffer which is less degraded cells

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc So there is unusable buffer?

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc This degradation (say 85% health) would include any unsuable buffer

@whordano3o @future_yas It's just that alot of Tesla folks say it's virtually impossible for there to be 0% degradation after the first year, let alone two or three.

@_ob24_ @future_yas Relax folks damn lol

@MoSabri58648335 @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc I asked you earlier if the battery health test measures usable or gross. You said gross. So show me where it says this explicitly?

@_ob24_ @BiggieAtx @KentuckyToc Are you fucking stupid? It's listing the health of the battery which is represented by the cell with the highest degradation. Tesla battery capacity is influenced by the cell with the most degradation.

@whordano3o @future_yas Huh, I would figure that you'd post the battery health test result.

@_ob24_ @future_yas Yup also zero degradation