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@analyticityy

Katılım Mart 2016
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@KhalilAndani “Circular” is functional in the context of inferences or arguments.….interdependence relations are not inferences.….so ascribing circularity to them is categorically incorrect. 💀😭
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Khalil Andani, PhD
Khalil Andani, PhD@KhalilAndani·
This is incoherent; God’s attributes depend on Himself which makes them creatures and then God is dependent on his nature and his nature is dependent on himself which is circular.
Natural Theist@AleMartnezR1

By rejecting Divine Simplicity (Everyone should reject it), we move toward Theistic Activism, which holds that God is the ontological ground of His own attributes. In this model, God's properties are logically dependent upon Him but remain distinct from the divine subject, avoiding the category errors of identity found in classical simplicity The "Who" (God as Substantial Subject): This is the Individual. In your model, God is a concrete, living, and infinite "Someone." He is the Substance that exists in and of Himself (Aseity). He is the "Actor" who logically precedes the "Act." The "What" (Properties as Abstract Objects): These are the Attributes (Omniscience, Goodness, Power). In your model, these constitute His Nature. They are the "What-it-is-to-be-God." Crucially, they are distinct from one another (Mercy $\neq$ Justice) and distinct from the "Who" (the Subject). "However, this does not matter, since the claims of activism do not entail that God creates himself. God stands in a relation of logical dependence to his nature (a trivial result of the strict necessity of both relata). His nature stands in a relation of causal dependence to him. It simply does not follow that God stands in a relation of causal dependence to himself. Relations of logical dependence are always transitive. Relations of continuous causal dependence are always transitive. But we have no good reason to think that transitivity always holds across these two relations. If God creates some bachelor, the existence of this bachelor is logically sufficient for the existence of some unmarried man. It follows that God creates some unmarried man. But the transitivity we thus see across the causal and logical dependence relations holds only in case the unmarried man is one and the same individual as the bachelor. Unless the doctrine of divine simplicity is true, God is not identical with his nature. Since I have rejected the doctrine of divine simplicity, I can reject as well the inference that from God’s nature causally depending on God, and God’s logically depending on his nature, it follows that God causally depends on himself. Thus the view that God is absolute creator of everything distinct from himself does not entail that God is self-caused, or self-created. For example, it yields a subtly new understanding of self-existence. If activism is true, a self-existent being is an uncaused being. A self-existent being is not to be characterized only as a being whose existence follows from its own nature, in the sense that in every possible world in which its nature exists, it exists. For this is true of all necessarily existent abstract objects, which on the view of absolute creation are not self-existent entities. A self-existent being, rather, is a necessarily existent individual caused to exist by no other being. On the view under consideration, appropriately, only God fits the bill"

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Valentina Gomez@ValentinaForUSA·
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@Hanbali2024 @KhalilAndani Not even sure what it means for an “act to be caused” when acts are the antecedents in causal affairs. Also not sure why it’s “absurd” for an act to just occur based on volitional production. Don’t see any issue for taymi’s here….
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Andalus
Andalus@Hanbali2024·
@KhalilAndani Keep in mind you believe in an eternal universe wherein God doesn’t exist ‘before’ the universe and Allah telling us he did x, then did y is meaningless. You believe in a frozen God who doesn’t act, actually.
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@worldviewmstery @ExploringReali2 Not sure what it means for “kinds to play a role” and I asked earlier for elucidation on “incomplete individuals” is that just an individual that’s being assigned to a ‘kind’? Are you just trying to say ‘kinds’ are instanced by individuals?
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@worldviewmstery @ExploringReali2 Not sure what ‘kind’ adds here to help you but by ‘kind’ if you mean things that share qualities or qualities true of a group, then sure I guess.
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Worldview Mastery
Worldview Mastery@worldviewmstery·
@analyticityy @ExploringReali2 You know exactly what I’m asking, which means it should be easy for you to straightforwardly answer my clarification question: is the predicate <is human> as it relates to <humanity> predicating a kind or no?
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@worldviewmstery @ExploringReali2 It’s predicating the property ‘human’, it’s not that complicated…the property P will have a standard of qualification that needs to be met by some individual x which that you can say P(x). Are you asking what is the qualitative account of ‘human’? I think that’s common knowledge
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Worldview Mastery
Worldview Mastery@worldviewmstery·
@analyticityy @ExploringReali2 Nice try. Either <is human> is predicating a ‘kind’ or something else. I’m interested in qualifying what it is exactly we are predicating. Are you unwilling to engage with that or no?
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@worldviewmstery @ExploringReali2 Universal metaphysics don’t need to be invoked here, it can be as simple as ‘human’ being property and ‘is human’ being a predicate applied to some individual that has all necessary/sufficient qualities of the property.
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@Kaporaaa @ExploringReali2 @Hanbali2024 Ur a parrot, ur not worth my time. Larps like you hear some model theory and RI—regurgitate it and think u look cool.
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Nicholas drummer
Nicholas drummer@Kaporaaa·
@analyticityy @ExploringReali2 @Hanbali2024 It’s funny also how you’re responding to this but you weren’t responding to any questions so I’ll ask once again do you believe the relative identity Trinitarian commitments can be expressed in any model without a syntactical contradiction?
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Than Christopoulos - Inspiring Philosophy
This argument only works if you assume that premise 1 is using either (a) identity fixing predication or (b) replicative predication, in other words, if it treats divinity as a universal that can be multiply instantiated by distinct inddividuals. Now I would assume a Muslim wouldn't want to say that divinity is a multiply instantiable universal. So you must be assuming (a). Surely you don't think this logically exhausts the options?
Andalus@Hanbali2024

@ExploringReali2 deny a premise slow boy ) ∀x,y(Gx ∧ Gy ⇒ (x = y)) Premise (2) Gj ∧ Gf ⇒ (j = f) Universal instantiation from 1 (3) j ≠ f Premise (4) Gj ∧ Gf Premise (5) j = f Modus ponens from (2) and (4) (6) ∴ j = f ∧ j ≠ f Contradiction — Conjunction of (3) and (5)

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Nicholas drummer
Nicholas drummer@Kaporaaa·
@ExploringReali2 @analyticityy @Hanbali2024 I didn’t get the clip where he verbatim said that because he ended the live, but you can see the comments calling me a snitch and him ending the live right after someone says to check his comment
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@ExploringReali2 @Hanbali2024 And also if we are assuming AI all of the metaphysical layering is unnecessary because we can stick to the formal language and we can either get 1 G or 3 Gs, Sijuwade’s appeal doesn’t do anything but just add more intension but in extension the issue is very apparent.
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@ExploringReali2 @Hanbali2024 Seems like we’re just adding more metaphysical and semantic layering (“module trope”, “relational aspects”) unless these are just substitutionary terms for the assumed ones. What do these new terms add to the picture that resolves the objections brought up?
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@ExploringReali2 @Hanbali2024 From what I’ve heard his view is just equivocating on “is God” and “1 God”, but from my engagements with it if you unfold the equivocations it leads to 3 Gs, a non trinitarian has no motivation to equivocate so the logical problem is still there imo.
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@ExploringReali2 @Hanbali2024 No worries, and you can dm me the formulation if you would like or just reply on here with it. But if I’m not mistaken you are saying the trinity as it’s understood in orthodoxy (non heretical) can be formulated with absolute identity without leading to 3 Gs, 1 G/1 P or a P,-P?
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Than Christopoulos - Inspiring Philosophy
Sorry if I came off heated in previous reply btw. As for your question. Well most people that I run into may run a relative identity model and deny P1. I think it’s possible to try to take a constitutive essence approach to divinity using a definitional characterization of essence. If you’re curious about what the notation would look like there I’m on my phone right now but if you remind me tomorrow when I’m in my office I’m happy to bring that.
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@AngelloGua65392 @ExploringReali2 @Hanbali2024 You can say under absolute identity that j and f are not the same G, sure no issue with that simpliciter—but your background commitment is that there is one G (presumably), but that formulation leads to at least 2 Gs.
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@ExploringReali2 @Hanbali2024 What’s the third option if not qualitative predication or prediction by identity (absolute)? You can list the third option if you’d like, I can only think of maybe an alternative identity operation rather than absolute but not sure if that’s what you would invoke.
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Than Christopoulos - Inspiring Philosophy
@analyticityy @Hanbali2024 Reread the conversation- I explicitly state that I offered 2 interpretations of the first premise and said i denied both, and that i see no reason for those two interpretations to be exhaustive. Surely you’re not implying that we don’t need to interpret the semantics?
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@ExploringReali2 @Hanbali2024 “Universals” are not relevant here, he never invoked them because predication (formal, linguistic) and grounding commonalities in metaphysics are distinguished topics. Not sure why you inserted those metaphysics into the dichotomy provided….
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Than Christopoulos - Inspiring Philosophy
@Hanbali2024 So in other words-don’t want to defend the interpretation of your predicates and pretend logic alone does the work. If you read what I said- I interpreted what your predication could mean. And I denied p1 I have no reason to think the dichotomy in p1 is true.
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