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Andrew Harrington

@andyharry819

CLE / IND / PDX Katılım Aralık 2012
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Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
Really proud to have helped bring this brand to life, and pumped people enjoy it. Final s/o to Tom Quaglia (t_quaggs on Instagram) for creating these 3D models, outside of his normal workload, and making this unveiling feel truly complete despite the absence of actual jerseys.
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Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@dead_baseball I think the fact that this sentence stands alone in the umpires’ manual kind of proves it’s not part of a “fly ball section” and is instead a separate sentence that has nothing to do with fly balls.
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Baseball's Not Dead
Baseball's Not Dead@dead_baseball·
In summary... Based on rulings on the field in the last 5 years, balls on the field that are over the foul line but not touching are fair. The 2019 umpire's manual has contradictory wording to this. The 2026 rulebook added this wording but in the fly ball section... (cont)
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Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@mickbz63 @balkwhisperer My interpretation is that if it’s rolling it’s “in contact with the ground” and would still be foul unless it hits the line. Ball settling on fair/foul territory between home and 1st/3rd was already part the definitions of fair ball and foul ball.
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mick smith
mick smith@mickbz63·
@andyharry819 @balkwhisperer you're right and I'm wrong. they changed the rule in 2018. Now if a ball is rolling along the line and part of the ball is over but not touching it's fair like it's always been, but the moment it stops it has to be touching the line to be fair. Some baseball rules are Yogi-isms😂
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Balk Whisperer
Balk Whisperer@balkwhisperer·
The problem is that Official Baseball Rules says “on or over” when touched but Umpire Manual says only fair if touching. Then MLB Glossary has a summary of OBR but doesn’t include “on or over.” So MLB is telling Ben ( who works for MLB in some capacity) that it was a foul ball
Ben Verlander@BenVerlander

🚨OFFICIAL RULING FROM MLB🚨 I reached out to MLB since there is a lot of confusion regarding this play: “In our Umpire Manual, here is the definition of a fair ball:   FAIR BALL Definitions of Terms: When in contact with the ground, a ball must be in contact with fair territory and not merely over fair territory in order to be adjudged to be fair.” MLB acknowledged an error was made.

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Andrew Harrington
Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@mickbz63 @balkwhisperer But if a ball is in contact with the ground, it has to be “in contact with fair territory and not merely over” to be considered fair. This wording has apparently been in the umpire manual for a few years but was only added to the rule book definition of fair ball this season.
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mick smith
mick smith@mickbz63·
@balkwhisperer "touching" means touching fair territory. The line is in fair territory and fair territory extends perpendicularly up from the line. So a ball can be in the air, and touching fair territory. I have no idea why people can't understand this basic rule.
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Andrew Harrington
Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@crich55372 @Romans724120566 @BenVerlander Yeah, I mean, it’s tough to predict when that ground contact rule will apply because this is a rare circumstance and every play has physical variables, but at the end of the day it needs to be reviewable like everything else, especially if a rule was misapplied.
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Casey Richardson
Casey Richardson@crich55372·
@andyharry819 @Romans724120566 @BenVerlander But instead they have to determine if a ball is 1/1000th of an inch above the ground or not. Because if you can slide a piece of paper under it then it’s fair ball. If not then it’s foul ball. That’s the dumb result here. But I get your point. Umps are already guessing.
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Ben Verlander
Ben Verlander@BenVerlander·
FAIR or FOUL ball? The MLB rulebook answers…
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Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@crich55372 @Romans724120566 @BenVerlander Personally I think it’s much easier to confidently determine if a ball is touching a chalk line than it is to determine if a ball is breaking an imaginary vertical plane extending from the edge of a chalk line.
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Casey Richardson
Casey Richardson@crich55372·
@andyharry819 @Romans724120566 @BenVerlander Yep. And if a ball is gently rolling down the line there’s no way for an umpire to get his eye sight below the ball to see if it’s slightly bouncing or simply rolling. It’s a dumb rule if they solidify this as foul ball.
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Casey Richardson
Casey Richardson@crich55372·
@andyharry819 @Romans724120566 @BenVerlander Here’s a weird scenario I just thought of. Say it’s bouncing down the line perfectly straight. Every time it hits the ground it’s foul (if touched exactly then) because it’s missing the line; and after every time it bounces up it’s fair because it’s barely over the line 😂
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Andrew Harrington
Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@crich55372 @Romans724120566 @BenVerlander I think it was borderline whether it was moving, but it’s on or over foul territory and touched a player or umpire. Foul ball. The ground clarification makes the use of “over” seem to mean airborne, like a player in fair territory making a play on a foul ball, for example.
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Casey Richardson
Casey Richardson@crich55372·
@andyharry819 @Romans724120566 @BenVerlander In addition, a ball that’s moving can’t be determined if it’s “touching the ground” or touching the line. An umpire will be looking in realtime ABOVE the ball. No way to know if it’s touching the line or not.
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Andrew Harrington
Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@crich55372 @Romans724120566 @BenVerlander The definition of foul ball says it is foul if it touches a player or umpire while on or over foul territory. They added the sentence to the definition of fair ball that says if it’s in contact with the ground it has to be in contact with fair territory to be considered fair.
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Casey Richardson
Casey Richardson@crich55372·
@Romans724120566 @andyharry819 @BenVerlander At best there seems to be a discrepancy in the rules. Sure the MLB will come out and eventually say how it should go in the future, but the current rule you showed clearly says fair ball. Maybe another rule says it’s 100% a foul ball. Therein lies the discrepancy.
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Andrew Harrington
Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@DEvanAltman @ClarknAddison16 @bears_fan25 The ball was in contact with the ground but not in contact with fair territory, which is not a fair ball according to the rule book. The ball settled on foul territory between home plate and third base, which is a foul ball according to the rule book.
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Evan Altman
Evan Altman@DEvanAltman·
@ClarknAddison16 @andyharry819 @bears_fan25 That's precisely why the rule on fly balls does not allow for them to be "over" fair territory, my dude. The rule is different for balls that contact the ground in fair territory and then roll. At no point did a realization that I might be wrong alter my reading comprehension.
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Evan Altman
Evan Altman@DEvanAltman·
@andyharry819 @ClarknAddison16 @bears_fan25 The same could be said about definitions of the strike zone and literally all other rules. It'd probably be best for everyone involved if you stopped wasting your energy being my newest reply guy.
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Andrew Harrington
Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@DEvanAltman @ClarknAddison16 @bears_fan25 A ball dropping out of the sky and landing in foul territory has never been a fair ball. It doesn’t need clarification. This ground ball would probably have been called fair as recently as last season.
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Evan Altman
Evan Altman@DEvanAltman·
@ClarknAddison16 @bears_fan25 @andyharry819 This explains it well.
MLB Scoring Changes@ScoringChanges

OK, I’m working a game tonight, so I just met with our umpires and asked them about the play (two have been MLB call-ups). All three, and our ABS tech, said the same thing. If any part of the ball was over the line, it’s a fair ball because it was inside the base. They said had it been a fly ball beyond the base and the first time it bounced, the physical ball was foul, but part of the ball hovered over the line, that would be foul, but assuming the umpire saw a part of the ball over the line, it was in fact a fair ball. Three umpires, two that are MLB call-ups, and a former umpire that is the ABS tech. They were all insistent that it was a fair ball, and they avoid social media (as they should). I just now showed the actual play to the ABS tech and he said that if part of the ball is over the line it’s fair. I do trust the umpires on this.

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Andrew Harrington
Andrew Harrington@andyharry819·
@DEvanAltman @bears_fan25 @ClarknAddison16 That’s your interpretation, and according to the league, it’s wrong. It’s not fair according to the definition of a fair ball in 2026, and it is foul according to definition of a foul ball.
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