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@apeiron_ph

Incomplete mereological whole with a Ph.D. and other temporary intrinsics. Business Analyst @PowerhouseDAO

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apeiron@apeiron_ph·
@die_rizzen started with proclus, now reading both iamblichus and plotinus
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Die Rizzenschaftslehre
Die Rizzenschaftslehre@die_rizzen·
I am certain that every year there are more Marxists reading Plotinus. Not accidental.
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apeiron@apeiron_ph·
@SchopenhauerNow Every other philosophy smuggles something in. Hegel tried to smuggle nothing.
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Arthur Schopenhauer
Arthur Schopenhauer@SchopenhauerNow·
Why is Hegel such a big deal in philosophy?
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apeiron@apeiron_ph·
@criticofpolecon He tried to read an elementary economics text; it bored him past endurance, it was like listening to somebody interminably recounting a long and stupid dream. - Ursula K. Le Guin, The Dispossessed: An Ambiguous Utopia
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davide🚩🔻@criticofpolecon·
Anyone know somewhere I can learn economic stats and math in mtl
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N.N.@NatasaN_N·
@AVA82615829 Kako obcutijo realnost levice in njene posledice, lahko vidite v svetu, kjer je bila le ta prisotna ali pa še vedno je. Navadni ljudje životarijo, politicna elita pa zre kaviar. Kar poglejte si Venezuelo, Kubo, s.korejo, Rusijo,,..ter zakaj smo vse drzave bezale iz jarma levih?
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apeiron@apeiron_ph·
@allTheYud multiple realizability was originally contra-identity theory so by that fact its not logically negating panpsychism
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Eliezer Yudkowsky
Eliezer Yudkowsky@allTheYud·
Jessica spells out "since different substrates can implement the same casual weave, causal weaves cannot depend on substrates, so cannot directly see or feel the choice of materials" at greater length.
jessicat@jessi_cata

To further elaborate on knowledge arguments for multiple realizability: Suppose there is a planet with intelligent aliens. The aliens have two subtypes. One subtype processes the *functional* emotion of lust with ABC-fibers (some kind of neural circuit or similar). The other subtype processes functional lust on XYZ-fibers. The I/O behavior of ABC-fibers is practically indistinguishable from that of XYZ-fibers. (By "functional lust", I mainly mean the I/O behavior that would be expected from actually experiencing the emotion of lust, while staying agnostic on whether lusty experience actually occurs.) We could imagine a situation where one of these aliens has never experienced functional lust, and also does not know if they have ABC-fibers or XYZ-fibers. They may now enter a situation (like reaching puberty) where they would, predictably-to-them, have functional lust. It would strongly seem to them that they really are experiencing lust. This alien may also be uncertain about whether ABC-fibers lead to actual lust (not just functional lust), and similar for XYZ-fibers. The question is, when they experience lust (or at least it strongly seems to them that they do), what update do they make? The functionalist answer is that they make no notable update. They already predicted they would have functional lust. There is no good candidate for a "further fact" they would learn about whether they "actually experience lust". A possible non-functionalist answer would be that the alien, upon experiencing lust, learns: "If I have ABC-fibers, then ABC-fibers implement lusty experience; and if I have XYZ-fibers, then XYZ-fibers implement lusty experience". This is a possible further fact, according to the kind of alien who is not a functionalist. We could imagine that the alien actually has ABC-fibers, and learns this after the fact. Then they know that ABC-fibers must be able to implement the emotion of lust, because they experienced lust and have ABC-fibers. But perhaps they don't know this about XYZ-fibers, despite the functional isomorphism; a "what is it like to be an alien with XYZ-fibers?" hard-problem question. However, we could imagine there is another alien who started in a similar epistemic state, and who actually has XYZ-fibers. Through an analogous sequence of events, this second alien would learn that XYZ-fibers can implement lusty experience. The situation looks pretty symmetric. Why couldn't they both realize this, and update that both ABC-fibers and XYZ-fibers can implement lust? But that's a functionalist conclusion, and it could have been gotten to without the empirical update of experiencing lust. As an alternative, suppose the first (ABC) alien believes that they, having ABC-fibers, really experience lust, but aliens with XYZ-fibers do not really have that emotion, even if they have functional lust. The ABC alien believes that the XYZ alien, in an analogous epistemic position, makes a wrong update; the XYZ alien is subject to an illusion, where they make belief updates *as if* they experienced real lust, when they really only had functional lust. Perhaps the XYZ alien is simply wrong about their experience; they are subject to illusory quasi-lust. But this raises the question of how the ABC-alien can know they really experienced lust, because their epistemic state is isomorphic. Sure, their beliefs and memories updated as if they really experienced lust, but functional lust was enough to ensure that. Like the XYZ-alien, the ABC-alien could (if functionalism is false) be subject to an illusion, where it seemed to them that they experienced lust, but this seeming was illusory, because they only had functional lust, not the actual experience of lust. At this point it is possible for the non-functionalist to bite the bullet and accept that evidence one is experiencing an emotion is hard to come by, even if there is evidence of having the function of the emotion. But if they're accepting that level of introspective opacity of experience, why believe in qualia in the first place, rather than being an illusionist or eliminative physicalist? There is not much to motivate qualia realism in the first place aside from introspection. There are also semantic responses relating to Kripkean secondary intensions and 2D semantics, which claim that the ABC alien can hold that they (and not the XYZ alien) experience real lust, and the XYZ alien can similarly hold that they (and not the ABC alien) experience real lust, and these beliefs are logically compatible, because "lust" picks out a different physical predicate when said by aliens of each subtype. (But this semantic complexity is both unnecessary and unintuitive, in my view)

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Nicholas@timewalkcapital·
@MLStreetTalk I remember functionalism being propounded as this incredible theory, and as an undergrad thinking it just seemed obviously wrong and not able to solve the hard problem at all.
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Machine Learning Street Talk
Machine Learning Street Talk@MLStreetTalk·
> 1980: John Searle explains why we can't abstract away the causal properties that actually produce mind > 2025: Minds, Brains, and "but what if we scaled the program" > 2026: Twitter still thinks simulated water is wet when argument is rehashed > 2035: Sam Altman: "ok fine it was autocomplete the whole time" > 2045: Chalmers: "the hard problem was, in fact, hard" > 2050: textbooks: "the 2020s functionalism revival is now considered an embarrassing episode, like phrenology"
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ℏεsam@Hesamation

Google DeepMind researcher argues that LLMs can never be conscious, not in 10 years or 100 years. "Expecting an algorithmic description to instantiate the quality it maps is like expecting the mathematical formula of gravity to physically exert weight."

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Alsie | Dune
Alsie | Dune@AlsieLC·
Wrapping up @ParisBlockWeek Here’s my review: - Full on suits - very few degens - Institutional heavy, banking, payment, compliance, taxes, consulting. Many working on infra and some kind of “on-boarding” kits for more businesses to adopt blockchain - more commercial focused conversations. People realize that any service has a price and it’s no longer logo x logo partnerships and synergy - Less international crowd - Less attendance ( like every conference this year) less sponsors. But the venue is still PACKED with non-stop football traffic. - People actually listened to talks. You see suits taking notes and follow up asking questions. - Way less side events than any other conference this year. - less jobless people than any other conferences so far - not too many swags. People prefer to take away brochures and reports to learn vs a tshirt - more LinkedIn qr scanned than telegram - more business cards Overall, the vibe felt a lot more bullish on the industry than other conferences. WAGMI
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apeiron@apeiron_ph·
@allTheYud "Consciousness is in the class of things that can affect your behavior" yea, about that...
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Eliezer Yudkowsky
Eliezer Yudkowsky@allTheYud·
Simple way to see this is wrong: If you view a system as having inputs (like hearing something) and outputs (like saying something) then you can divide system properties by whether or not they affect I/O. Claude's weights somewhere storing "Paris is in France" affect I/O if you ask a question about Paris. The exact mass of the power supply to the GPU rack for that Claude instance doesn't affect I/O. That Claude instance being made out of silicon instead of carbon, or electricity in wires instead of water in pipes, doesn't affect I/O given a fixed algorithm above the wires or pipes. Nothing Claude can internally do will make anything get damp inside, if it's running on electricity. Nothing about "electricity vs water" can affect Claude's output for the same reason. It always answers the same way about France. Nothing Claude can internally compute will let it notice whether it's made of electricity or water flowing through pipes. When someone says "a simulated storm can't get anything wet", they are unwittingly pointing to the difference between the physical layer and the informational/functional layer. Things that the computer physics affect without affecting output; things that affect the output without depending on the exact computer-physics. The material it's made of doesn't affect the output. The output can't see the material because no algorithm can be made to depend on the choice of material. You can always run the same algorithm on different material, so you can't make the algorithm depend on that, so the output can't depend on that. By reflecting on your awareness of your own awareness, the fact of your own consciousness can make you say "I think therefore I am." Among the things you do know about consciousness is that it is, among other things, the cause of you saying those words. You saying those words can only depend on neurons firing or not firing, not on whether the same patterns of cause and effect were built on tiny trained squirrels running memos around your brain. You couldn't notice that part from inside. It would not affect your consciousness. That's why humans had to discover neurobiology with microscopes instead of introspection. Consciousness is in the class of things that can affect your behavior and can't depend on underlying physics, not in the class of direct properties of underlying physics that can't affect your behavior. A simulated rainstorm can't get anything wet. Running on electricity versus water can't change how you say "I think therefore I am." And that's it. QED.
ℏεsam@Hesamation

Google DeepMind researcher argues that LLMs can never be conscious, not in 10 years or 100 years. "Expecting an algorithmic description to instantiate the quality it maps is like expecting the mathematical formula of gravity to physically exert weight."

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apeiron@apeiron_ph·
@pega_mega @vidovod /s si pozabil na koncu. pac neverjetno je to, kako eni neironično ponavljajo trickle down pravljico.
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Peter Pegam
Peter Pegam@pega_mega·
@vidovod Seveda ima, ker ustvarjajo nova delovna mesta, vplacujejo v drzavno blagajno, da lahko skoraj enako tudi tisti ki nimajo. Presezek, pa poglejte, naj si privoscijo zadeve, kaj vi bi razdali ves presezek, ki ga ne potrebujete?
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filmozlom@filmozlom·
@deLoonchkowy @domencukjati Absurdno je, da se sploh pogovarjamo o novinarstvu kot o levem in desnem. Obstajajo dejstva, ki so preverljiva. Problem je, ker večinoma novinarji poročajo brez ali pa z zelo natančno kuriranim kontekstom, da informacija ustreza njihovi narativi.
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Domen Cukjati 🇸🇮 #freespeech
Obstaja vrhunska rešitev, ki je 💯% liberalna, pluralna, demokratična in ljudska: - RTV razdelimo na 2 dela, - levega in desnega, - RTV davek PROSTOVOLJEN, - posameznik odloča, kam gre njegov RTV davek. Ste za? Itak levičarji ne bodo za! 😀 Njihov levi del propade TAKOJ.
Domen Cukjati 🇸🇮 #freespeech@domencukjati

Si predstavljate, da se to zgodi pri nas? Janša gre RTV in v času največje gledanosti napove, da bo za nekaj časa ukinil celoten informativni program nacionalke.🤔 Zakaj? Ker niso profesionalni, ampak pristransko navijajo za Golobov režim‼️ Podpiram 💯%! 💪

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defiprime@defiprime·
@liberuum swarm and whisper were ahead of their time but the dev experience killed adoption. ipfs barely survived and it had way more funding. the vision wasn't wrong, the tooling just never got good enough for normal devs to ship on it
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Liberuum@liberuum·
Can we all go back to the web3 vision of dApps? Blockchain + SWARM + WHISPER(also swarm)
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apeiron
apeiron@apeiron_ph·
@kaizen000000000 (speaking as an atheist) ITT: phil 101 mf's not knowing that universal transworld depravity is logically possible.
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么 ꜱ ᴀ ᴍ ꪜ,
么 ꜱ ᴀ ᴍ ꪜ,@kaizen000000000·
I can’t wrap my mind around the fact that people don’t understand this simple concept😭
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New Jerusalem ASI
New Jerusalem ASI@NewJerusalemAI·
@tszzl AI is going to make the world a better place, so OFC the deranged demons are going to come out and attack it. This pattern has been repeating again and again throughout history since they murdered Christ.
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apeiron
apeiron@apeiron_ph·
@ianpaulwright @shikabalaThaba fair, however "undecidable" describes our epistemic relationship to a proposition, while günther's third value was something different: a strict logical negation that captures reflexivity
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Ian Wright
Ian Wright@ianpaulwright·
@apeiron_ph @shikabalaThaba I think ternary valued software and hardware is a red herring because it doesn't change what can be computed and, in general, computational predicates are intrinsically ternary valued already: true, false, undecidable.
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apeiron
apeiron@apeiron_ph·
Vannevar Bush basically sketched the original knowledge vault with Memex (1945): a system built on links, recall, and augmentation. The current LLM knowledge-vault wave feels like that old vision finally meeting enough compute to become real.
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Ian Wright
Ian Wright@ianpaulwright·
@shikabalaThaba When it's written up I will post about it. (There are many kinds of logics; the question is whether Hegel's Logic could be formalized).
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