Grove Kifasi ✟@GroveRKifasi
You say God does not kill. Every death is Satan. Satan is the one taking life.
Fine. Follow that to its conclusion.
If Satan has the power to take life, and God either cannot or will not stop him, then what exactly is God sovereign over? You have just handed Satan a domain that God cannot touch. You have created a universe where the devil operates with a power that the Almighty either lacks or refuses to counter. That is not a loving God. That is a limited one.
And now you have a second problem. You say you are eternally secure. Your salvation cannot be lost. God holds you and nothing can snatch you out of his hand.
But your body is dying. People are dying every day. If Satan is the one killing, and God is not stopping him, then Satan is taking what God made and God is doing nothing. So what makes you think Satan will stop at your body? What is the barrier? You are telling me Satan can dissolve the thing God created and animated and called good, which is your physical life, but somehow he cannot touch the spiritual life God placed in you? On what basis? You have already established that Satan kills and God does not intervene. So where exactly is the line, and who drew it?
The only way eternal security makes sense is if God is actively sovereign over life and death. The only way “no one can snatch you out of my hand” means anything is if God has real executive power over existence itself, including the power to end it.
And then there is this. You say the proof that Jesus is who he claimed to be is the resurrection. He conquered death. He did not stay dead. That is the vindication of his identity.
But you died. Every believer dies. If Satan is killing people and God is passive, then Satan is defeating believers every single day. Where is the victory? You cannot preach resurrection power and simultaneously preach a God who watches helplessly while the enemy picks off his people one by one.
The only coherent answer, the only answer that holds the whole thing together, is this: Satan can cause death, but only within the boundaries God permits. God is not the passive bystander. God is the one who sets the terms. When a believer dies, Satan did not win a round. God did not fail to protect them. God determined the length of their days, and that appointment was kept. Job is the clearest picture of this. Satan could not touch Job’s life without explicit divine permission. He had to ask. He had to stop where God told him to stop. That is not a passive God. That is a sovereign God who uses even the enemy’s activity within his own purposes.
So the hypergrace position does not protect God’s character. It destroys it. It turns the Father into a spectator, turns Satan into an autonomous power, and leaves you with no real basis for eternal security because the same force you said is killing bodies has no clear reason why it cannot kill souls.