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I’m here to notice.

Katılım Temmuz 2017
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dan linnaeus
dan linnaeus@DanLinnaeus·
Misinformation or disinformation? You’ll find in the community notes of Israeli Fm Gideon Sa’ar’s response to Ukraine's Fm Andrii Sybiha earlier today a reference to an MFA statement. It establishes that on March 23, Ukraine “informed” Israel about the Abinsk and the possible occupied-territory origin of the cargo, and “emphasized the inadmissibility” of import operations. This is linked in the community notes and is supposed to substantiate that “Ukraine submitted a legal request for previous ships. Those requests were ignored.” The record shows that this claim is false. Here’s the actual sequence as Kyiv itself has now laid out and which has been corroborated by Israeli reporting via Barak Ravid at Channel 12 and Axios. On March 23, Ukraine’s ambassador in Tel Aviv delivered a diplomatic note about the Abinsk. Three weeks passed. On April 12, the Abinsk arrived in Haifa and began unloading. On April 14, Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha personally called Sa’ar requesting the cargo not be accepted. It was only the following day, the day Abinsk completed unloading and the vessel sailed on April 15, that Ukraine’s Prosecutor General’s Office transmitted the formal MLAT, including the court arrest order from April 8. On April 16, Sa’ar texted Sybiha directly stating the ship had departed and could not be detained. On April 20, Israel sent its formal written reply citing the departure and insufficient evidence. So the procedural channel was used. But it was used in a way that arrived as the operational moment closed. The MLAT finally arrived the day the vessel left port, after it unloaded and its goods entered Israeli commerce. Importantly, the buyer told Haaretz's investigative reporters that Russian suppliers stated this is wheat originating from Siberia, sent west in train cars, with documents “confirming this.” The piece itself notes that Israeli buyers have no way of checking whether they were lied to. The buyer further told Haaretz they only realized the source after the Ukrainian embassy contacted them. That undercuts President Zelensky’s “knowingly purchasing stolen goods” allegation on X. The community note’s claim that “Ukraine submitted a legal request for previous ships. Those requests were ignored” elides this timing and details of the actual event. In the real world, the MLAT was not ignored. It simply arrived too late to prevent unloading. When the Israeli foreign ministry is asking for these formal legal requests and evidentiary package, it’s not because it’s saying “we don’t want to recognize that you might have a claim here” or “you may have no legitimate grievance.” It is saying we need to understand under what mechanism and under what criminal statutes we need to investigate this in order to give you a serious finding -- because ultimately this isn’t something Israel is doing at the state level. This is private commerce that needs to be investigated. And when you realize that Israel is being asked to act as an enforcement arm for a sanctions regime it isn’t party to, on an evidentiary basis that is only formally presented after the moment to act has passed, against private commercial actors whose alleged wrongdoing depends on legal characterizations that are themselves contested, you start to understand that this is not Israel sparking issues with Ukraine, but the other way around. The public generally speaking has little attention span for absorbing these details, which is where deception and social media become a match made in heaven if you’re looking for a way to cause a target country a headache. The better question is why.
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0HOUR1@0hour1·
I plan on putting Rubio in the WH. Its my last fight. I will win!
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airship ✡️@Airshiptycoon·
Israel has the right to expand its borders.
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async_@bedsareburning5·
@david_lisovtsev Turkey and Qatar (and the good old ukr antisemitism) . That’s what’s happening. Ukr is appealing to the anti-Israel sentiment and pledging allegiance to Brussels and Ankara.
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async_@bedsareburning5·
@FrenklyOfficer These two things are not in conflict. Also, no none pointing this out think ukr and isr are friends lol
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async_@bedsareburning5·
@ReinceNiebuhr @Burneraccount81 And it’s often “liberal Zionists” saying these shit. That’s how we lose the “pr war.” Useless retards.
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Reince Niebuhr doesn’t have these cannons 🇺🇸🧊🐶
Every anti-Israel argument basically is framed as Israel did this thing we don’t like (even tho it’s more or less what we would have done in their shoes) and therefore sad to say just the way it is seven million Jews have to die And then somehow its our problem when we push back
Wolfietron@Burneraccount81

"A big problem is that pro-Israel people can't admit Israel ever does anything wrong." - Pro-Ukraine people who have LITERALLY never criticized Ukraine about anything ever and will doxx you and try to destroy your life if you criticize Ukraine online.

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Wolfietron
Wolfietron@Burneraccount81·
This is literally how liberals talk about Israel now.
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moses hess
moses hess@moseshessstan·
As a proud 🇺🇦🇮🇱 person, most of the people who claim to be 🇺🇦🇮🇱 but are getting mad at Ukraine here and talking about the UN votes aren’t serious when it comes to 🇺🇦. The fact is that there are a ton of Israel supporters in the West who can't help but think Israel is never wrong. Israel’s handling of the war has been dumb, and it's gotten even dumber since the collapse of Assad, because they can't make the Russia argument anymore. There is some hypocrisy coming from Ukraine here, given that a good chunk of Europe is still getting Russian oil. Still, it also does not excuse Israel for allowing the grain and then acting like they did nothing wrong. From the beginning, Ukraine was reaching out to Israel (both the people and the government) and saying that they want help and to be partners, and Israel has fully dropped the ball. All because of an unfounded fear of Russia.
Kraut@The_Davos_Man

I think the reality of the community that supports Ukraine, in particular #NAFO is that we have both 🇺🇦🇵🇸 and 🇺🇦🇮🇱 people. And we have kept conflicts between the two down by underpinning that 🇺🇦 is the priority.

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Lazar Berman
Lazar Berman@Lazar_Berman·
Senior Ukrainian official tells me that Kyiv's willingness to help Israel counter Hezbollah drone attacks depends on Israel's actions around what Ukr calls grain stolen by Russia: “We will consider this request in contingency with their behavior with the stolen grain."
Lazar Berman@Lazar_Berman

This is taking place as the @IsraelMFA is not making time for nearly a week to meet with the EU ambassador over the grain issue, while it does have time to meet Russia's ambassador.

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𐤁𐤍 𐤄𐤅𐤓𐤒𐤍𐤅𐤎- Yohanan Hyrcanus
What Israel can guarantee is Russia never using Israeli defensive systems, weapons (or Intelligence) against Ukraine. Reciprocally, can Ukraine say the same? Will we ever see Ukrainian made drones attacking Israel from Syria (or Lebanon or Sinai for that matter) at the hands of ISIS, Hamas, AQ- bought by Qatar and orchestrated by the Turks? What are the odds of this happening as Ukraine deepens its collaboration with Turkey and the Qatari pro jihadists? Is it zero? Is it 50%. Be honest.
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Uri Kurlianchik
Uri Kurlianchik@VerminusM·
My main objective on Twitter is not to change the minds of my enemies, but to make my friends bolder by showing them that they're not alone.
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Wolfietron
Wolfietron@Burneraccount81·
"A big problem is that pro-Israel people can't admit Israel ever does anything wrong." - Pro-Ukraine people who have LITERALLY never criticized Ukraine about anything ever and will doxx you and try to destroy your life if you criticize Ukraine online.
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async_@bedsareburning5·
@AmKsheOref A million people died for nothing. Deep down, many already know it. The blame will land somewhere, and they have a convenient target(He converted to Christianity but people won’t care) It’s going to get very dark.
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async_@bedsareburning5·
@KatyaSedgwick conservative Jews were some of the most vocal and reliable Ukr supporters remaining in the Republican base and I’m glad zelensky just torched it.
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Katya Sedgwick
Katya Sedgwick@KatyaSedgwick·
If you think X is antisemitic, check out the “stolen grain” discussion Ukraine Now Telegram channel. “It’s the Jews, what do you expect?” “Jewish pigs,” etc.
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