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@ememz666 is that ED!? Dat bih tuh

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@Scott_E_Campbel @enjoyer_liberty at least you didn't let it get to you

@enjoyer_liberty This is a comedy skit you fucking numpty. It’s not a documentary. Are you slow? Either laugh. Or don’t. You standing here like a cunt. Who thinks he’s clever. I don’t think you understand what liberty is you dumb fucking twat.

@JNateal @JoshStrifeHayes Yes I agree. In a perfect rational model (everyone understands / wants to live) press red. In a practical model where a subset of the votes are basically random, you should vote blue. I'd like to think I'd vote blue, but if faced with the choice it would probably be red

@bigseji @JoshStrifeHayes Yeah you're right. It's just that it's basically a proven fact at this point that not everyone will understand this on first read, and will pick blue out of morality(no one has to die) and/or optimism(surely 51% of people will pick blue). That's basically why I picked blue.

First it was SummoningSalt, now Josh. I swear it's almost as if all the influencers that I follow see the button-pushing question as an exercise to see the best way to save themself instead of how best to save everyone. Really shows how people think.

@JNateal @JoshStrifeHayes Yes but it's not a save everyone versus save yourself, it's risk your life hoping that other people have risked their lives, instead of people choosing no risk

@bigseji @JoshStrifeHayes Yeah, you're describing the 51% > 100% argument. Not everyone is going to press red even if it's the smart choice. Only 51% needs to press blue.

@JNateal @JoshStrifeHayes I feel like the wording of the question skews how people are viewing it. The blue isn't a "Save Everyone" button. It only saves people that press blue, and only if more than 50% do as well. If no one presses blue, then no-one needs to be saved.

@JoshStrifeHayes So out of curiosity, I showed my dad the button question. He's a 60 year old guy, christian, owns his own business and makes 3x more than me. Quintessential boomer basically. Took him 10s to think and answer blue. "It saves everyone" was his answer. I showed him the poll result

@Serenity_Seal @Tuckergg @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel You are agreeing with me. I'm simply saying that the pure logic of the question dictates you should press red, but since we live in an irrational world where we would have to account for people picking blue even against their own interest, we should pick blue to save people

@bigseji @Tuckergg @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel It isn’t rational. 50%+ of blue is required for an optimal scenario. 100% of red is required for an optimal scenario. Less is required for blue to be successful than for red to be successful. Given that a 100% vote is essentially impossible, blue is the best choice to save lives.

A baby crawls up to the buttons. Doesn't understand the question slams his hand on the blue button as his favourite colour is blue then crawls over to the tracks The next person walks up to the button after seeing the baby What does he do? 1/2

@Tuckergg @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel I think you are too emotionally invested in this hypothetical. I think there is an interesting discussion we could have but you seem more intent on acting belligerent

@bigseji @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel I'm upset because I call an argument silly and explain why I think that? Are you well?

@citricscience @Tuckergg @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel I don't understand why you are replying to me like this because this is not my argument

@bigseji @Tuckergg @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel It seems pretty irrational to assume everyone would be a perfect rational actor.

@Tuckergg @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel I don't understand why you are getting upset. I think in a real world scenario people should pick blue. However I also understand that the only reason I need to pick blue is because other people might pick blue, even though everyone could just pick the option where they don't die

In a perfectly rational world, everybody would go off grid and grow their own food because you can't perfectly trust everything at the grocery store. In a perfectly rational world, you would never walk down the sidewalk because you can't trust 100% of people to drive perfectly 100% of the time. This is silly. We offload so much trust in other people to make society function already. It's part of what makes humans distinct from animals. Asking 50% of people to not needlessly condemn 20-49% of the planet to death is such an easy no-brainer for anyone who has ever touched grass.

@Tuckergg @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel That's what I'm trying to get at, in a perfectly rational model everyone should pick red. However in a more practical model, blue seems to optimise a better outcome. Yet it can feel like going against the core logic of the question, which is why it's interesting (imo)

@bigseji @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel It's rational for people who struggle to conceptualize higher order consequences. The issue with trying to distill positions down like that is you often optimize for very narrow thinking.

@Tuckergg @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel I never said red was the correct choice just that it was the rational one. But having to account for people's irrationality, you should pick blue even though it's irrational to do so. I think that's why the question is interesting

@bigseji @TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel "If everyone just acted and voted exactly like me with ZERO deviation" is a wild requirement to make it the correct choice lol

@TheCartoonLoon @convolutedpixel This is where the hypothetical falls down. I think people that push red are assuming that everyone that is voting understands the question, therefore the rational thing to do is press red. Blue people include non rational actors and effectively randomness making blue necessary

@convolutedpixel I don't have to add anything the original question said everyone had to vote a baby is a part of everyone

Take so bad I'm pressing red

The blue button / red button discourse could be a case study in how insufferable online discourse has become

@miririnmiri man... what a great job description that would be. The in house hat guy

@bigseji I feel like Bloodborne was the FromSoftware game where they let The Guy Who Loves Hats within tje company take on a major role.

It's been a few years since I last re-played my beloved Bloodborne and I can only assume that Elden Ring - with its generously numerous sites of grace and infinitely refillable health vials - has made me soft because god I forgot how brutal Bloodborne's learning curve is.

@miririnmiri had to load up my old save and make sure I still had that shi on 🔥

@miririnmiri been too long since I've played Bloodborne. Oh chikage my beloved

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Bloodborne Clair Obscur Expedition 33 Elden Ring Red Dead Redemption 2 (this was surprisingly easy for me) (the only reason I could discard TLOU1 - even though I adore it - is that I prefer TLOU2 and that wasn't on the list)