Curlin Schmidt

@GoldenGordon13 @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin okay but my heart issue results in my having an incorrect theology that could send me to hell and yours doesn't?

@biosimulacrum @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin I absolutely have a heart issue too bud I’m not above anyone in that respect at all

Admits a fundamental misunderstanding of Christian soteriology in the first 30 seconds.

@GoldenGordon13 @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin your hubris is baffling and stumbling block.

@biosimulacrum @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin Can’t know the reason for that. Only that Paul makes it clear that God wrote the Law in both our hearts. If my paradigm is true, it’s never just an intellectual issue Intellectual certitude does not entertain the questions you are asking. “Am I going to Hell for X”

@GoldenGordon13 @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin also, no u. u have the heart issue not me, u.

@biosimulacrum @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin You are right on one thing. I don’t have to believe you. And I don’t. I see this more of a heart issue rather than one where you lack data Your view of God is polytheistic. Its hilariously incoherent with Scripture. But you already know this tho. That’s why its a heart issue

@GoldenGordon13 @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin It's not beside the point. it's the entire point. my theology doesn't teach that you will burn in hell for coming to a different conclusion than me. Hence the point of the video.

@biosimulacrum @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin I can also say that Mormon Theology is intellectually unjustifiable and that claims of The Great Apostasy is irreconcilable with Acts and the entire New Testament. But that’s really beside the point here.

@GoldenGordon13 @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin Your view of God is incoherent to me. You don't have to believe me but that's the way I see it.

@biosimulacrum @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin Asserting that its unjustifiable does not prove it so You had to be educated on basic soteriology just on the replies alone, so I don’t believe you when you say you did your best I can’t say you are going just that if you do, it’ll be because you lock the door from the inside

@Tele_us_mock_us @RymanHarrison @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin no the separation is not "just like other protestants". Their baptism is valid and ours is not.

@biosimulacrum @RymanHarrison @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin Sorry brother, but mormons are fully separated from The Church from a Catholic perspective, just like other protestants. Now mormons are especially far when comparing, for example, Lutherans. Regardless, we hope that protestants are just ignorant, and not that they hate the Truth

@biosimulacrum @RymanHarrison @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin No, it's the same for all protestants whether mormon or not. Same for pagans either in the amazon or in Athens. If, in their ignorance, they denied The True God, but in their lives sought virtue (to the degree that they knew how) then we Catholics can hope for their salvation.

@Konraddin @Tele_us_mock_us @RymanHarrison @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher Alright so how is the original video incorrect then about your soteriology? Our baptism (and not protestants) is invalid apparently due to our differences in interpretation of the oneness of God. Does that not lead us to hell?

@biosimulacrum @Tele_us_mock_us @RymanHarrison @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher The two faiths are simply incompatible due to one being monotheistic and the other polytheistic. No shade.

@Tele_us_mock_us @RymanHarrison @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin @ThoughtfulSaint @conservmillen [some] protestants views of soteriology. (2/2)

@Tele_us_mock_us @RymanHarrison @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin That's a lovely take. I assume the reason @Konraddin felt compelled to give his opinion on the video was because he felt attacked, when in reality the video was in response to a discussion between @ThoughtfulSaint and @conservmillen (a protestant). The video is correct about..(1/

@Tele_us_mock_us @RymanHarrison @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin Crossing my fingers that we're included in Vatican 3

@Tele_us_mock_us @RymanHarrison @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin It seems to me that protestants have accepted a different gospel but they are saved to my understanding. Just the mormons that have it wrong enough for eternal conscious suffering.

@RymanHarrison @Tele_us_mock_us @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin my point was to refute the OP. There's no misunderstanding of traditional "Christian soteriology". You believe that if people (even if they diligently try to come to a knowledge of the truth) come to a different conclusion than you, God will give them eternal conscious suffering.

@biosimulacrum @Tele_us_mock_us @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin What is your point? Is it confusing to you that truth exists and that there are consequences for being wrong? Would your math teachers in school have given you a passing grade if you said 2+2=5? Truth matters. There’s a reason the great commissions exists.

@mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @_kusco93 @RymanHarrison @Konraddin okay so mormons are not going to hell.. just the ones that diligently search for knowledge and will not accept the mystery (the incoherence) of the creedal formulation of God?

@biosimulacrum @CbirdArcher @_kusco93 @RymanHarrison @Konraddin This would fall under the category of invincible ignorance as they are seeking God with a sincere heart. It would be a limit of understanding. However, we cannot know their heart, only God does, which is why we cannot judge or damn them. We can just try to help them understand.

@GoldenGordon13 @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin I've done my best to try and understand the incoherence of the God as you purport (as outlined in the creeds) and am unable to intellectually justify your position. I think I'm going to hell then right?

@biosimulacrum @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin Mormons aren’t really an uncontacted pagan tribe or a common layperson in an isolated state Mainline Mormons live in the heartland of what is currently the most powerful country with the greatest wealth of information available. With the Bible. That’s not ignorance

@RymanHarrison @Tele_us_mock_us @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin yep. just as I thought. the original video was right. they came to a different conclusion than you based on their diligent effort to come to a knowledge of the truth and they will burn in hell eternally for it.

@Tele_us_mock_us @biosimulacrum @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @Konraddin If they believe in the Jesus and father that the Mormon church teaches, they are not saved. While only God knows the heart of man, we are given definitive examples of those who are NOT saved in scripture and following after false gods and false prophets is one of those things.

@CbirdArcher @_kusco93 @mikecheck972 @RymanHarrison @Konraddin They do. they came to a different conclusion than you based on their diligent effort to come to a knowledge of the truth and they will burn in hell eternally for it.

@biosimulacrum @_kusco93 @mikecheck972 @RymanHarrison @Konraddin Not because they don't believe what I believe but because they don't believe in Christ.

@spuppet01 @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin I know there is. If someone puts in all the diligence they can muster to learn of knowledge they can very reasonably arrive at a different conclusion than you, but they'll burn in hell for eternity for it. there's no misunderstanding in the original video.

@biosimulacrum @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin There's a difference between vincible and invincible ignorance.

@Tele_us_mock_us @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin there's no fundamental misunderstanding in the original video. He was sharing your views.

@biosimulacrum @mikecheck972 @CbirdArcher @RymanHarrison @Konraddin some yes, some no. That’s why Conrad was saying it’s not for him to judge because we don’t know the heart of every Mormon and what they know or what they’re open to knowing or if they’ve been kept invincibly ignorant.