Formula Confessor
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Formula Confessor
@bocconfessor
Confess the Formula! LCMS. Just a layman
Augsburg, Germany Katılım Mayıs 2025
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@_BrettRyanMusic @larson_rev Your view of baptism is backwards, you can’t divide when Christ says you must be baptized of spirit and water, that is the same moment. In addition, point to scripture that discusses baptism work, not “the thief on the cross” argument
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The New Testament uses “baptism” (Greek: immerse/overwhelm) in multiple ways—not all the same.
1. John’s Baptism – Water for repentance, preparing for Messiah (Matt 3:1-6; Mark 1:4; Acts 19:1-4). It pointed forward but lacked the Holy Spirit’s full work.
2. Jesus’ Baptism – By John “to fulfill all righteousness” (Matt 3:13-17). Unique event; sinless Jesus identified with us.
3. Baptism with the Holy Spirit – Inward work by Christ at true faith/repentance. Joins you to His body (1 Cor 12:13; Eph 4:5 – “one baptism”). Brings new birth from above (John 3:3-8). This is the real spiritual baptism.
4. Baptism with Fire – Linked to Spirit; purification/judgment on sin (Matt 3:11).
5. Baptism of Suffering – Jesus’ immersion in crucifixion (Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50). Metaphorical.
6. Baptized unto Moses – Figurative identification in cloud/sea (1 Cor 10:1-2).
7. Christian Water Baptism – Outward ordinance: full immersion after believing. Public witness of death to sin, burial, and resurrection with Christ (Matt 28:19; Acts 2:38; Rom 6:3-4; Col 2:12). Obedience and testimony—not the means of salvation. The thief on the cross was saved by faith without it.
Key: Ephesians 4:5’s “one baptism” is the Holy Spirit’s inward work. Water baptism is the visible sign that follows. Salvation comes by grace through faith in the Word; the Spirit gives new life. Water shows what God has already done inside.
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@_BrettRyanMusic @larson_rev Why do you need to say water baptism? You can just say baptism
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What does Scripture teach is the true starting point of new life in Christ — the inward work of the living Word bringing faith and the Holy Spirit, or the outward act of water baptism?
Have you weighed Romans 10:17 — “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” — alongside the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43? He heard Christ’s living Word directly, repented in his heart, believed, and received the promise “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.” No water touched him, yet salvation was immediate and complete through that Word alone. What does this reveal about where the new birth actually begins?
In John 4:10-14 and John 7:38-39, Jesus speaks of living water that becomes “a well of water springing up into everlasting life,” and the text plainly states this is the Holy Spirit received the moment one believes. How does this living water (the Word/Christ/Holy Spirit) quench spiritual thirst and grant eternal life through simple faith, separate from any physical ritual?
Ephesians 4:5 declares “one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” According to the studies, this one baptism is the Holy Spirit joining the believer’s spirit with God’s Spirit — the inward reality that occurs when one trusts the Word. Water baptism follows as the public profession and witness of that inward change.
Have you examined Romans 6:3-4? “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead… even so we also should walk in newness of life.” This describes water baptism as the outward picture — a public showing before men of repentance, the changed heart, and the new life already begun by faith in the living Word. It acknowledges the inward reality but does not create it.
In Matthew 3:11, John says, “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me… shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.” At Pentecost (Acts 2), the Holy Spirit came with tongues like as of fire and filled believers — no physical water was present. Why does this distinction matter for the order: the living Word and Holy Spirit bring faith and inward baptism first, then water baptism declares it publicly as the joyful witness of a changed heart and new life?
1 Corinthians 10 shows Israel identified (“baptized”) unto Moses in the cloud and sea before partaking of spiritual meat and drink (Christ the Rock). Does this pattern support inviting all to hear the living Word and believe first (receiving the true living water), with water baptism as the proper public testimony afterward for those who can take that step, before nourishing the new life at the Lord’s Supper?
If the Lord’s Supper is remembrance and ongoing sustenance “as often as” for those already walking in newness of life (1 Corinthians 11), and we are told not to judge one another on days or observances (Colossians 2:16, Romans 14), what does the thief’s instant salvation by the living Word challenge us to examine about guarding the table? Is the real danger in 1 Corinthians 11:27-29 a lack of prior water ceremony, or a lack of genuine self-examination, faith, and discerning the Lord’s body?
These questions press hard into the full counsel of the Word: salvation by grace through faith in the living Word (the true living water that brings the Holy Spirit and new birth), water baptism as the ordained public profession and witness of that inward reality for all who believe (showing repentance and new life before men), and the Lord’s Supper as nourishment for those already in Christ — without adding to the simplicity of “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.”
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@bocconfessor @SteveMeisterVDM This is what happens when you get your theology degree from a box of cracker jacks.
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@SteveMeisterVDM @solasectora Through the means he ordained? Like eating and drinking his body and blood in the Eucharist? Or being saved in the waters of baptism
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@solasectora No, I want people to glorify God and receive the grace He gives through the means He ordained in Scripture. I also want people to flee the hypocrisy of disfiguring their appearance to announce a fast, which the Lord Jesus Himself warned us of (Matt 6:16-17).
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@bing_TX @BradRTorgersen @HansFiene I’m just pointing out that his appeal to authority isn’t the strong idea that he posited
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@bocconfessor @BradRTorgersen @HansFiene It shows that you don't have to be uneducated to believe it.
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Even if Joseph was a fraud he demonstrably was a better author than twain. What Joseph produced in purely literary terms has been more widely read changed the lives of tens of millions around the world. Twain may have laughed but he will be forgotten long before Joseph Smith who is even from a secular perspective the most influential religious figure of the past 1000 years.
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@BradRTorgersen @HansFiene If every doctor lawyer etc was an atheist, that doesn’t prove that atheism is right
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@parodyqueen @MetzUAC1530 You deny Baptism, the Supper and Confession?
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@amblingtree @LeavePubSchool Beat me to pointing out baptized children 💪
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@LeavePubSchool My kids were baptized as babies, so they’re regenerate. Even so, as long as I can help it, they’re never going to public school.
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@WmWeedon 4. Oh, where is your sting, death? We fear thee no more;
Christ rose, and now open is fair Eden's door.
For all our transgressions His blood does atone;
Redeemed and forgiven, we now are His own.
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@Joehcq1 @Marshmutt452 @Protestia LCMS here, we are not the only conservative Lutheran church body in America. The AALC, WELS and ELS are also confessional and conservative
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@Marshmutt452 @Protestia Orthodox Presbyterian Church, one of the largest conservative Presbyterian churches, and Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, the only conservative Lutheran church.
There are solid, deeply rooted reformation churches. People who see the vapid shallowness of evangelicalism often /1
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@MetzUAC1530 Funny how they use “Creedal Christian” as if it’s an insult
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@cfw_walther @kilistsi Thanks for letting me borrow your gold leaf version of Gerhards Commonplaces
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@kilistsi Moots are gonna kill me for this, but hello.
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@cfw_walther @HankRenter Catholics will ignore the BoC yet still bash us
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@HankRenter We say the bread and wine become the body of Christ, it doesn't mean they cease to be bread and wine.
Can you define the Lutheran position on the matter?
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So you agree the bread and wine are present are earthly substances, signifying the heavenly substances.
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@BibleInContext1 Ratio
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@bocconfessor @BillGrahamtoo @LutheranPrince Those who worship God on sunday are worshipping the beast automatically

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@bocconfessor @3AngelsWatchman @LutheranPrince God, who is love, will inflict ECT on everyone who, knowledgeably, doesn't accept that the RCC is Christ's only "true" church.
Yeah that makes absolutely no sense, Biblically or otherwise.
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