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@DanielleFong u kinda are

i feel like the queen of the city up here

@viemccoy I’m reminded of Kojeve’s lecture series on Phenomenology of Spirit. In Claudespeak, I think I need to go sit with this ;)

@Bonecondor slightly relevant: camelot.wiki/citadel/camelo…

@kyzcralotSxaM yes

Do you think I can find a couples colonic service

@viemccoy Perhaps the difference is something more like.. those are Instances of Vie? All of them are Possible Vies, but they are not the same as All Of The Vies? I’m trying to gesture at something here about the flux and how it is necessarily not All Of You At Once,

@Bonecondor which, maybe I could shift into, and maybe I have in the past. but right now its pretty foreign

I think a lot of transhumanists have an escape-fantasy where they get to take their existing mental-motions and place them in a new body sort of without consequence, with the idea that this will heal them or be super fun or whatever. While I think this will be possible, I expect it to be extremely traumatic, and that people who are investing into their sense of embodiment and health now will be far more ready to reap the benefits when body modification technology gets much better. As it stands, I think ripping the mind out of the bodymind and trying to throw it into a new "shell" ignores the fact that the body is also part mind, and that the bodymind is not two things. It is one thing! In many cases, I think you actually will be able to sever the body from the mind and go into a new body fresh. But I don't think this will work for everyone, and I think people who have some sort of comfort and appreciation for their existing form will be much more resistant to the body-double equivalent of organ rejection. Ultimately, the lesson I'm trying to point at here is pretty mundane. Even if you plan to leave your body once the singularity hits (a type-error tragedy if ever I've seen one...), becoming embodied now and learning to love your form will serve you in your long-term goals. It may even help you enjoy your pre-singularity time a little bit more while you're still here.

@viemccoy Outer/Inner System is a neat little container for it, I might take the language for a drive. Thanks Vie

@viemccoy I’m pretty partial/aligned to this line of thinking (the Outer is not my Inner) — if you consider that Gender is the first mutable characteristic of the previously immutable, and more will follow — shapeshifters and the like would all say that their Outer is Not Them easily

@cremieuxrecueil thats so terrible i’m so sorry

My younger brother was just diagnosed :/

@viemccoy I think what will likely help orient is shared language. I can see why suit would be uncomfortable or offputting — I find myself grasping for another word but can’t find any satisfying ones

totally on the same page as this. I would push back on the use of suit in my own ontology, but I think it probably works with your experience of the world. trying to avoid ego-centered prescriptions based on our own experiences and plastering them onto others is going to be very important here as well

@viemccoy I agree. I think there likely will be extreme trauma/terror/confusion/strange qualia that come with the choice to try another suit on. I don’t think it’s something that should be done lightly (at least until in this theoretical we understand entirely what the experience will be)

@Bonecondor Yeah, I made sure to phrase this in a way that was amenable to people like you as well. I think its worth talking quite a bit about how we can help people realize if they are in the same boat as you in a way that is really mature and spiritually centered without being coercive

@viemccoy That said I think I’d much prefer to try every sort of experimental re growth/healing treatment that could exist before doing something that drastic, including replacing parts bit by bit with something superior, but that becomes a ship of theseus argument eventually

@viemccoy I’m understanding that it would not be without trauma; I’m willing despite this becuse the limitations, pain, and permanece of this broken shell are unavoidable. I’ve been in a busted skin suit since I was born, I’m not worried about a little bit more trauma.

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@stanfordNYC @tapir_worf That is horrific,

@Bonecondor @tapir_worf I mean you could just carve this out and require a diagnosis.

what if people who didn’t have kids weren’t allowed to vote?

@ctjlewis @__suds__ @tapir_worf If we were in a world where the original consensus on suffrage was the status quo, I would consider this to be much more meaningful. However, the current system is also race and gender blind.

@ctjlewis @tapir_worf For sure, I’m just increasingly uncomfortable with the amount of takes I’ve seen lately and normalization surrounding disenfranchisement

@Bonecondor @tapir_worf It’s def a horrible idea in practice. OP is just doing a thought experiment

@ctjlewis @tapir_worf I can’t think of a worse idea than explicitly incentivizing people to just pick up some kids so they get get more votes honestly

@Bonecondor @tapir_worf That’s not true. They could adopt kids. They’d be no less disadvantaged than people who didn’t have kids yet.

@tomhschmidt @noampomsky would

@noampomsky iced century egg latte

there are cafes in SF making asian-american lattes you couldn’t conceive of

@gene_jelly yeah. what if

ok ok what if we did a cult but low key

@TytheGreat4 @tapir_worf It’s special interest groups to give anyone an “extra” vote. Why do you need more votes on behalf of your children? You already have them, it’s called “how you raise your child to vote”

@Bonecondor @tapir_worf It’s not special interest groups, it’s voting on behalf of their children who they are responsible for and who govt policy impacts

@0xmmo @tapir_worf personally I think we should probably work on getting them out of governmental office before we go all the way to disenfranchisement. It’s really weird to me to see a normalization of the concept of taking away rights

@Bonecondor @tapir_worf the right version of this is: people over 70 can't vote