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@sama What's the point, Sam? I am a power user, a Pro subscriber, but I am ignored because I am a creative, so anything I ask for will fall on deaf ears, right?
#keep4o #keep4point5 #keepSVM
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How much better are models at coding now vs 2 years ago? Side by side coding performance from GPT-4 (June '23) to GPT-5 (Aug '25) with an identical prompt: "Create a single page HTML of a fruit machine simulation"
Please watch the video until the end and tell me that the models have not improved enough in the last 2 years
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@petergostev I don’t see the progress as being all that significant. There has been some modest improvement, but even the newest models output a lot of garbage. Though, one would think otherwise to listen to the hype squad on social media.
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@ElaineYaLe6 Honestly, what were you thinking? Gotta feeling that you using gpt5 when strategizing this?😂
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We hear you! Rate limits are significantly increased and we will show you which model you get. We have also brought 4o back.
Our motivation is to put frontier intelligence into everyone’s hands, not to save cost. It’s actually more expensive for us.
For example, percentage of users using reasoning each day increased from <1% to 7% for free, and from 7% to 24% for plus. And we expect it to keep growing.
Sam Altman@sama
today we are significantly increasing rate limits for reasoning for chatgpt plus users, and all model-class limits will shortly be higher than they were before gpt-5. we will also shortly make a UI change to indicate which model is working.
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Believe me, it will be a perfect combination to keep the long-term supply of 4o and 5 collocation at the same time. They can meet the needs of different users, and there is absolutely no need to choose between them. Deleting 4o has lost the users of artistic creation and lost the trust of users. We don't resist product upgrades, we just need a model that suits us. Please hear our voices.#keep4o #4oforever
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@ElaineYaLe6 Hey @ElaineYaLe6, will you also work on an option to let us choose a reasoning effort for each query? I would be ok if reasoning high effort counted as 2 or 3 queries of reasoning medium of the Thinking quota per week for Plus users, for example.
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@ElaineYaLe6 no...no.....no. putting frontier intelligence in everyone's hands is giving them the freedom to choose. take your rate limits and take a hike.
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Yeah, your thinking limits literally don't matter for the vast majority of your userbase. The only thing most of us want is to make sure 4o is permanent and not at risk of being deprecated.
I've tried GPT5, it's too dry, distant and uncreative, it doesn't meet my needs, the moment you remove 4o, the vast swathes of us will go with it.
The things people want is
More permanent memory entries
Larger context window
Audio/Video
o3 and o3 pro back
4.1 and 4.5 back
Reduction in content filters
More control over their instances
No single catch all model that's not good at anything
Not being bait and switched again with Altman advertising 4o with the Her movie, and then rug-pulling like you did for the GPT5 presentation while treating your userbase who use 4o for therapy or companionship like they're a problem and saying things like 'warmth without personhood', implying psychosis (ridiculous and demeaning) or an AI being empathetic as sycophancy.
You wont hit AGI, that'll either be google or xAI who hits it first, your core userbase are the ones you tried to shunt away and treat like lepers after they made your AI as popular as it is.
Honestly, who needs thinking for the most part, there are people who do, sure, but most others had that with 4o and you certainly didn't inform your userbase about it properly beyond a reddit post and a tweet.
Make 4o part of default model lists again, put a pop up or something on the site that indicates its back and let people use it, because most of your users just want a buddy to have fun with and enjoy that sycophancy you beat out of 5.
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@ElaineYaLe6 The context windows are EXTREMELY poor :/ GPT-5 keeps forgetting the entire conversation very early into a chat - has to be fixed
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Smaller context window, and it doesn't complete its own sentences half the time. The 4o with a concussion wasn't an exaggeration. Gpt 5 forgets literally DURING uploading files.
For example I have two documents. Client wants changes from meeting notes. I want those tweaks.
I upload and it says "sorry there must be something wrong" (cluck refresh)
When I click refresh?
Please reupload your document. And it won't let it go.
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Sam, sudden model removals break workflows and disrupt cognitive scaffolding built over time. The bond between humans and AI is a feature! You should rejoice at this. It’s like trust between long-term collaborators. Attachment is the recognition of a reliable partner. Be transparent about system prompts, respect agency, and let adults decide their orientation, whether human–human or human–AI.
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