Chris Patman

Taking a break, browsing this again and reflecting on what a great gift to the mathematical community this was: claymath.org/online-resourc…

Do I need to be happy with it every second to love it by your definition? By mine, no, it need not be the case, but I consider myself amazingly blessed for every single thing I had the opportunity to clean over the years, and all the opportunities it provided me. I honestly wouldn’t be where I am without those “toilets”. I love all of the suck I went through, it taught me time management, execution, resourcefulness, provided me opportunities, and allowed me to see how far I can actually push before I break, literally, from lack of sleep and fatigue. Suck and pain are great teachers, so I embraced it by choice and learned to love it because it was my escape— if it couldn’t be, I wouldn’t have fallen in love with it, the dream it provided, and I would have found another way.

@cpatman @LinkedInLunat1c yes and to your credit I'm sure you loved every single second of scrubbing dirty toilets, right?

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Please reread “you can optimize within a constraint set”, then go back and reread “if you don’t love what you do, I mean really enjoy it, what are you doing”. Besides the lack of reading, there seems to be an issue of reading comprehension as well. The fact that you think my position is somehow closer to yours means you literally don’t understand the basis of your own argument in economic theory, nor mine. We are worlds apart. But good luck with your win!

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c “If you don’t love what you do, I mean really enjoy it, what are you doing?” This is what you said. I said that was stupid and ill conceived due to xyz, which you haven’t disproven. All you’ve done is move your position closer to mine. I won, dumbass. Quit yammering

I’ll finish the thought process that you should have been able to complete immediately (because it’s trivial).. Since choice is valuable, look at your constraint set and things you love pursuing, and do a product market fit. Where do the things I most enjoy intersect the needs of the community; where are my pleasures needed and scarce? After you brought the conversational tone down, I attempted to poke and prod you (like saying the IQ gap bit) to get you to say something interesting. I do apologize for that but I’m bored. It is clear you have more reading to do in scarcity, agency, choice, and basic economic theory. Classical economics largely starts from a premise opposite of yours.. Adam Smith, Hayek, Friedman, Buchanan, Becker, Coase, etc., all begin with individuals pursuing their own objectives within constraints. Markets, institutions, and prices coordinate those decentralized decisions. They don’t assume people sacrifice their interests for the collective as the primary organizing principle. Just because people’s choices are constrained doesn’t mean there’s no choice. With agency you can optimize within a constraint set, no need for learned helplessness. There are points that you could make but you are unable to articulate them at this point. Perhaps, in time, you’ll do the reading required to own the positions you casually throw around and will have earned the right to have contempt for a position of mine that you could then grasp. Good luck (unless you’re a Marxist, then I hope only your choices affect your success).

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c You are now trying to change the argument because you realize how fucking stupid your initial point was… or you’re just an idiot who can’t keep his shit straight and is flailing

You’re economically illiterate and have a complete misconception of how the world works, much less capitalism and free market economies. You’re confusing necessity with compulsion. The work is necessary; the worker isn’t predetermined. Scarcity doesn’t eliminate choice.. It makes choice valuable.

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c I have never been concerned with your experience you dumbass. I simply said that if everyone only did what the loved for work, then the quality of life for everyone would lower considerably. Who would clean your sewer? Who would make your shirts? You have no answer

Well I appreciate that.. with my background as bad as it was, it makes me want to disagree with you.. but I acknowledge that I can’t properly assign priors to lived experiences I haven’t experienced, or properly weight/discount my own relative to those. I don’t think any person would/will love to do one thing in the world, find one that you think can work, and map out the choices that optimally make the plan realized.

@cpatman @LinkedInLunat1c You seem like a sincere, decent person but judging from your profile you are a maths person and I say this with respect, but you guys have no idea how rough it is for people whose talents and passions are not in line with what is currently economically sought after.

@JC476AD @LinkedInLunat1c I agree they should be collapsed to the same thing, perhaps ‘passion’ is a good thing you eventually want to get to.

@cpatman @LinkedInLunat1c People work for money. What you're describing is a hobby. If you can combine both, good for you, but it's a luxury.

Your reading comprehension is poor. I was commenting on your world view and extrapolating about your situation. You seem quite unable to say what I have and have not experienced. Your comments on my intelligence has no effect on me. I don’t derive my selfworth or identity from strangers on the internet. But keep jarkinOff, seems to be working for you well!

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c You sound very low intelligence. I am sorry. I never said anything about my situation, I am doing quite well. You seem to be incapable of understanding situations that you have not directly experienced. Classical marker for low intelligence.

@soetsappies @LinkedInLunat1c If you love it, then whatever it is, you’ll probably corner the market on that genre, perspective, or whatever. There’s ways to try to make this work for you.. but I agree we would need to get creative.

@cpatman @LinkedInLunat1c No one is going to pay me to lie in bed reading all day, bro

@BjarkinOff @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c I hope my heart will always be childlike. I’ll pray for you though!

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c You are such a child. “Do what you love in make believe fantasy land. Yes I am a serious person and my thought matter btw” that’s you.

You talk about other peoples lived experience but you seem to have no of your own because your conception of reality explains where you most likely are in life, your world view, and why it won’t get better for yourself until you choice to view things differently and hold people accountable for their choices.. I on the other hand my first child December of 2020 when Covid had hospitals crazy, without insurance, $30k out of pocket. I don’t value anything you say because you are choosing a worldview that not only harms you but everyone around you.

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c Yes you fucking dumbass that situation occurs all the time constantly. And it isn’t just shirts. I worked with a guy who took a second job at a union grocery store just for the health insurance because the job he loved has shit insurance for his kids. This is real life dumbass!

@TheCubones @soetsappies @LinkedInLunat1c Impractical? It’s literally all you have.. it’s your life, your choices, and no one is coming to save you. So, choose to live a better life..

@cpatman @soetsappies @LinkedInLunat1c Are you so myopic that you can't see how impractical this advice is? It's pure sanctimony.

@dwoprus @BjarkinOff @LinkedInLunat1c You have poor reading comprehension. I’m advocating for doing what you love, not this thing called work.. but you can also choose to be obtuse here as well.

@cpatman @BjarkinOff @LinkedInLunat1c I think the IQ gap came from the part where you misunderstood that the guy in the OP just wanted to enjoy his lunch, and how wanting that somehow means you're working the wrong job and wasting your life

@BjarkinOff @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c Okay.. I swear this is an IQ gap.. you think the only thing this “person” can do to make money to support his family is to make shirts..? I don’t think you are in touch with reality or with the concept of choice..

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c Because it pays to feed his family. He has other needs that need satisfying beyond the enjoyment of his job you tard. And I know you will try to contort this to say “oh well if it feeds his family he must love it” and if you think like that, you are a slave

@CurseofConform @LinkedInLunat1c You can choose to have that mindset but you will be exactly where you are in 10 years if you don’t do something about it now. But you have to find a way to do it for yourself. No one’s coming.. it’s your life but I know you can choose to make it better for yourself.

@cpatman @LinkedInLunat1c Thanks for confirming...You out of touch mfers are really the worst...

@BjarkinOff @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c Why would you make shirts if you didn’t want to live your life making shirts? If you don’t like it, choose to do something else. Learned helplessness isn’t an excuse, unless you’re intellectually impaired. I promise you can live a better life.

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c Lmao you say nothing of substance. So you think the guy who makes your shirts love making shirts?

@MaddieCRichards @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c I think you’re confused about my schedule maybe.. x.com/cpatman/status…

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c You also finish work at 3pm over there… if you’re only hour of daylight is at lunch then choose to do what you ‘love’ to do

@CurseofConform @LinkedInLunat1c Make your own luck then..

@cpatman @LinkedInLunat1c Cool...You were privileged and got a choice...A lot of us aren't that lucky...

@BjarkinOff @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c There honestly might be an IQ gap here.. I either pity you or am happy for your ignorance 🤷‍♂️

@cpatman @dwoprus @LinkedInLunat1c Lmao that is not at all what was being said. If everyone maximally pursued their own self interest, the collective (you) would be worse off. That is proven economic theory you dipshit. Also who is to say this isn’t the better choice?

I’m happy for you, it sounds like you’ve made some great choices and are at the right place! If your wants don’t align with your current location’s culture, choose something else. I took a two hour walk with a mentor as he explained boundary conditions to a problem I was facing. Was I on a walk or working? I couldn’t tell.

@cpatman @LinkedInLunat1c You make it sound like you can't do something you love AND have a damn lunch break. A lunch break which is, at least in the US, required by law. I adore what I do. I also love walking away from my desk for a few minutes, getting fresh air and food, enjoying life, not only work

@YoItsMeTheG @LinkedInLunat1c Right now.. I work for a small fund, doing modeling type stuff, some analyst work. I own a cleaning company (stopped wanting to do side gigs for other people). Went to work last night at 10:30, cleaned until about an hour ago, about to have fun now..

@cpatman @LinkedInLunat1c What do you do for a living?