@reluctantnicko A nice neat solution.
Every match that has been spied on is forfeited and recorded as a 3-0 loss.
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husband, father, footballer(?), Middlesborough supporter, pessimist, communications systems engineer.
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@reluctantnicko Exactly. We should find out who the better team is on the pitch. Any doubts created by breaking a rule is the problem.
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@AlfieHouseEcho I take it you’re including all of the pundits and journalists who are appalled by the lack of sporting integrity as “emotional”
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Yet to see someone across this subject who isn’t personally invested or understandably emotional back the idea of Saints being expelled from the competition altogether. Hefty fine and points docked, as said from the start, seems to be general consensus.
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slbsn@slbsn
🚨🤓 Southampton Spygate personal view: 1. Expect the breaches will be straightforward to establish (ie liability) and almost certainly admitted to try and get some sanction credit/discount 2. Expect aggravating factors such as other examples of Soton spying this year to be raised 3. Fundamental question of how serious a breach of rule 127 and good faith is will be key. We know good faith alone was £200k in the Leeds case. The new rule makes it worse and spying obviously seeks a sporting advantage - why else do it? So that does point to sporting sanction of some sort 4. Being thrown out of the Play Offs appears excessive especially given Southampton finished 7 points clear of 6th and 9 clear of 7th 5. A 3-0 in the first leg would have been an option again excessive retrospectively unless 2nd leg re-playable (not feasible) 6. More likely sanction is points deduction next season in the Championship as much as that won't help Middlesboro 7. Unlikely that the PL will take a points deduction recommendation from the EFL (no fixed rule) - doubt EFL will push for it, so would apply in first season back in Championship (when and if) 8. My best guess is SIX EFL points in first season in EFL and £500k-£1m fine 9. Boro compensation claim can be dealt with separately subject to any claim brought by Boro - difficult claim to establish due to causation issues
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@reluctantnicko How do you know there was no impact?
We don’t know what was seen or changed because of Southampton’s breaking of the rule.
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@reluctantnicko 500 mile round trip for “no advantage” ok…
Advantage, no advantage or disadvantage we’ll never know because Southampton broke an EFL rule.
It’s like playing an ineligible player who is rubbish. Doesn’t matter: game void.
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Spot on.
Also boro have floated between a back 4 and 5. Morris’s position during build up has been varied game to game and malanda has stepped into midfield which Alex Neil credited as the reason for boro’s first half success against Millwall.
Tom Phillips@TomPhillips1995
If Millwall had someone in the bushes at Hull and we knew we had to play against a 5 at the back… let me assure you this, we would have set up totally differently #Millwall
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Tonda Eckert walked out of another Southampton press conference last night.
After Eckert was asked whether he's a cheat, Southampton press officer stepped in and said: 'Show some respect, that's all we ask'.
Full story 👇 | #Boro
thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/26101454…
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@cheekyblinder11 @AlfieHouseEcho @TotalSaintsPod When did the saints coach arrive at the riverside…?
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@AlfieHouseEcho @TotalSaintsPod Whoever thought it would be ok to have the away coach turn up at the same time as the Saints coach into a literal cauldron of pyros and passion needs to give their head a wobble… not great planning
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@louorns @MathewDaley @JoshSFC13578 @J_Tanswell Eckert won’t be managing a team in the playoffs off final. Even if the punishment doesn’t kick them out of the playoffs offs he’ll be banned.
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@MathewDaley @JoshSFC13578 @J_Tanswell Just a cross and a dream. Not one good chance against a team dead on its feet since the 60th minute. Tragic gaffer
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Eckert’s 4-2-2-2 ground Middlesbrough down until their defenders literally couldn’t move through sheer exhaustion - shown in Charles goal. Downes came on and was outstanding. Constant passing, midfield dominance and Boro couldn’t get out
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@_TY_97 If he’s a flat track bully next season and smashes 15 goals against the bottom 10 sides then I’m not angry. Conway and strelec hitting double figures too.
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I’ve never felt so robbed. Injustice of spygate, two stonewall penalties and then loosing to a cross.
Add in the saints fans peppering the team bus, THB using discriminatory language, Eckert’s reaction to it and then ball boys being smart arses. Football is cruel sometimes.
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@JazzH3121 @_TY_97 You’ll say anything to guarantee 6 points next season 😂
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Don’t think I’ve grown to hate a club in such a short space of time as I have Southampton. Cheating scum. Come on #Boro beat the cheats.
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@TheStatsSaint @BarryTizer @GHD_7710 Yeah, but they aren’t sponges they are throwing so taking out their frustration on boro players. Should be throwing them at the Eckert.
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Mad to throw shit at their bus, now the EFL will throw the book at us.
Unacceptable. #SaintsFC
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@TheStatsSaint @BarryTizer @GHD_7710 The video of saints fans singing “we’ll spy when we want” as the bus gets pelted by objects kind of insinuates that they are taking their frustration about the charge out on boro.
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@charliewring1 Ah, Eckert’s weird smirk is finally explained.
This video is what the intern live streamed back to him…
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This feels significant.
Jordan reiterates throughout the segment how well he knows Gibson. #Boro
luke@louorns
It’s about to become even spicier
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@Sam__SFC @PlayzytStyle @GhrestryRoad He was approached while on private property owned by Steve Gibson.
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A list of my demands to the #EFL:
1. A bye to the play off final for Saints
2. A free hospitality package at Wembley in said final for myself
3. No non-Southampton fans allowed at Wembley
4. #SaintsFC to face Sheffield Wednesday in the final, who are not allowed a goalkeeper
Just Saints@JustSaints_
🚨 Boro have made two demands to the EFL: 1. That the Independent Disciplinary Committee hearing takes place as quickly as possible. 2. They want #SaintsFC to face ‘sporting sanctions’ rather than a fine, even if any financial penalty is significantly higher than the £200,000 figure Leeds United had to pay. [via @Scottwilsonecho]
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@davemcnally87 @PlayzytStyle @GhrestryRoad And a manager giving detailed instructions is not "damning," it doesn't at all suggest anything is up and even if it did (which it doesn't) the commission would need something to prove that.
We spied, no doubt, but there's no evidence of it happening before
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@davemcnally87 @PlayzytStyle @GhrestryRoad Well the four clubs you mentioned don't have training grounds you can see from public footpaths so that's why not them.
And as for in general, because we haven't played a playoff semi final yet this season. Beating Ipswich wouldn't have got 2nd either.
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