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Determinatus

@determinatus

United States Katılım Mart 2017
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Determinatus
Determinatus@determinatus·
@TheiaCurious @nyaraVT @sleepy_devo No it’s not it’s denying they’re gay - still retarded. I think I’m going to stop arguing with a retard who can’t communicate without catastrophizing and has no interest in productive steps for helping anyone. Have fun existing, no matter how you do it.
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yes@TheiaCurious·
@determinatus @nyaraVT @sleepy_devo Ah yes, famously telling a gay person they're not gay, just confused is not debating their existence! We had this discussion during the 80's and the result came out that it's indeed denying their existence....
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nyara@nyaraVT·
“Listen up, Tr***y a random cìs person is defining who and what you are”
Dev@sleepy_devo

@nyaraVT yes i watched you debate both occo and leaflit on this very topic fortunately for you, neither of them knew what the loki's wager fallacy is! no, i don't actually need to adhere to your unreasonable demand that i perfectly demark the boundary you're looking to define.

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yes@TheiaCurious·
@determinatus @nyaraVT @sleepy_devo "I'm gay" "No you're just confused" "I'm black" "No you're just confused" "I'm a woman" "No you're just confused" Why are 2 of these denying existence, while the third doesn't? Sounds a lot like special plrading~
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yes@TheiaCurious·
@determinatus @nyaraVT @sleepy_devo Yeah yeah, you're not denying *that* i am,you're just denying *what* i am. That's still debating existance itself,thanks for proving my point. And on top of that there's endless ammounts of people who will say trans people don't exist and they're just confused. What's your point?
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Whooith
Whooith@whooith·
So when we say that this administration and the gop are acting like nazis we get ignored when we say there is an active trans genocide we get ignored when will people actually listen to trans people instead of these nazis? when we get rounded up? when we are in a mass grave?
Pop Base@PopBase

Tennessee republicans voted unanimously to advance an anti-trans bill to create a public list of trans people located in the state. House Bill 754 would force medical providers to provide information to the state and identify them. (open.substack.com/pub/transitics…)

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Determinatus@determinatus·
@sawarddd @sleepy_devo @fluffyfoxpuppy @whooith So zero steps forward if we can’t get all 50 at once? We’re just stuck here because you children would rather suffer and die rather than only get some of what you want? Have fun with that I guess
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Sawardd@sawarddd·
@sleepy_devo @fluffyfoxpuppy @whooith Guy who thinks being an ally is just vaguely supporting adult transitions in a vacuum, and that directing hate towards and misgendering trans women every single day does nothing to jeopardize that ally status.
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Determinatus@determinatus·
@TRHLofficial In my house it was usually either pizza or spaghetti with tomato sauce, always with a salad and garlic bread
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The Redheaded libertarian
The Redheaded libertarian@TRHLofficial·
What are we having for meatless Friday dinner tonight, Catholics and others who observe lent? I’m making homemade mac and cheese, and butter & thyme broccoli.
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Determinatus@determinatus·
@TheiaCurious @nyaraVT @sleepy_devo Nobody is debating your existence, they’re debating on if you should be considered a man/woman. Literally everyone acknowledges you exist, some of them just think you’re doing it wrong (to put it mildly). That’s what I mean by thought-terminating, it’s meant to avoid substance.
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yes@TheiaCurious·
@determinatus @nyaraVT @sleepy_devo Well then "Debating my existence" is also 100% predicated on a real observation. That of the fact that as a trans person you have to consistently justify your entire existence, often time multiple times a day. It's a humiliation ritual that is socially acceptable.
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Determinatus@determinatus·
Oh come the fuck on, Arafat completely fucked the whole thing up by walking away with nothing because like every Palestinian activist ever, they are overplaying a hand they don’t even have. Tens of thousands of dead Palestinians died because Arafat was a dickhead.
Mehdi Hasan@mehdirhasan

Liar. Epstein Class member.

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Determinatus@determinatus·
@TheiaCurious @nyaraVT @sleepy_devo It often is, but just like “trans women are women” it’s also a declarative statement predicated on an observations/values. Depends who’s using it and why. “Debating my existence” is exclusively a thought-terminating cliche unless you’re arguing with an actual delusional person.
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yes@TheiaCurious·
@determinatus @nyaraVT @sleepy_devo And "Trans women are men" is also a though terminating cliche and i think that's what the whole counterargument is built on.
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Determinatus@determinatus·
@hasanthehun @IqraBooklover It is performative and for clout tho You may still be helping people and that’s dope, but you wouldn’t do it at all if you weren’t getting anything out of it
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hasanabi@hasanthehun·
@IqraBooklover they will now move on to say it’s performative and for clout. we’ve been through this rodeo before. its all good who cares, just do good, that’s worthwhile in and of itself.
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Determinatus@determinatus·
@whooith Progression to what? I argue it holds back progress on trans rights/healthcare because without meaning, it makes the identity arbitrary and then people at large don’t take trans people seriously
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Whooith@whooith·
"if you dont fit into the full category you aren't fully female" cіs women who cant give birth must not be "fully" female according to you. this is such a waste of my time.
Dev@sleepy_devo

@whooith you're actually making my argument, incredible. yes everybody reasonable knows you can change some of this stuff. but you cannot change all of it, therefore you cannot become fully female. and that's ok. it's not reason to treat you poorly.

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Determinatus@determinatus·
@nyaraVT The problem with self-identification is that it is fundamentally meaningless outside of yourself. For someone to validate your self-identity, it needs to be observable or perceptible by others. “I identify” without characteristics is literally impossible for others to perceive.
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nyara@nyaraVT·
Transphobes cannot comprehend the concept of self-identification because they don’t know who they are beyond the labels society forced onto them by observing their primary sex characteristics.
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Whooith@whooith·
Devs definition of what it means to be female is the same as Terfs, GC and transphobes alike.. down to if they can reproduce or not.. which is not how we as humans define it, its primarily self identity and expression... defining it on if someone can get pregnant or not is essentially saying that women who cant get pregnant arent women/female which leads out loads of cіs women and implies trans men who give birth are also women. this is objectively outdated and false information used to push an agenda. You wonder why we call you transphobic?
Dev@sleepy_devo

@RoeBits @nyaraVT of course, at that point trans women will be female. they won't be c!s women, as there will still be a difference for that label, but they will be female.

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Determinatus@determinatus·
@HilllbillyHugs @PropaneMan92 @whooith No I’m not, you’re a poor understander. I’m not even anti-trans at all. I just disagree that treating everyone who considers themselves trans (identity) the same is unproductive and makes activism harder because it relies on a moral motte and bailey to keep identity-only afloat.
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Determinatus@determinatus·
@HilllbillyHugs @PropaneMan92 @whooith So if I have a trans neurobiology, but am born as male and live my life as a male, and it never bothers me or comes up or I’m even aware of it - am I trans? I think you’d agree there is something beyond JUST the neurobiology, even if that thing is informed by that neurobiology.
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Determinatus@determinatus·
@HilllbillyHugs @PropaneMan92 @whooith You’re actually agreeing with me lol I’M the one saying trans is predicated on neurobiology, you’ve been arguing against that. I’m actually fine saying the trans umbrella is a big umbrella, I just then don’t think it’s useful when trying to craft medical rights or policy.
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Torrin Wayne(He/Him)
Torrin Wayne(He/Him)@HilllbillyHugs·
@determinatus @PropaneMan92 @whooith Your opinions on medical and scientific facts dont matter two squirts of piss. What you accept doesn't affect reality. Perhaps take some biology couture being a Trans person isnt aesthetics, its biological.
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