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Unblocking Pilots in AI x Public Goods/Governance @ethereumfndn | I don't speak for the collective, unhinged tweets my own

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Devansh Mehta
Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
Very thankful to @owocki to be invited as a cohost for the annual "state of public goods" discussion with @VitalikButerin it was honestly a test of my mental fortitude & stamina to be top of my game for all 1.5 hours 😅 I've scratched out 5 key points from the long episode; 1. what should we ask PGF funders to rally behind? A norm of 20% to public goods and 80% to commercial is inherently unsustainable. Because competitors will do 90-10, then 100-0, which will eventually beat out the market Quadratic funding should be seen in this light, of a global tax to the public goods god distributed via matching funds. Instead, a norm of funding your own dependencies is more sustainable and what we should be moving towards lawful & good - QF chaotic & evil - dependency funding 2. what should PGF builders work on over the next year? a. structured & well thought out proposals for how we fund ethereum open source software beyond just block rewards b. productizing deep funding & making it easy for any ecosystem to generate their dependency graph, ascertain relative value between them & finally stream funding based on it for example, vitalik said he finally crossed the threshold this year where over half his onchain transactions are private. he similarly hopes we can eventually make it as easy for any project to fund its own dependencies 3. When asked about the 3rd prong of accountabililty, vitalik pulled his classic switcheroo trick - putting the Q back on us I shared my experience with deep funding where maintainers wanted their repo to participate for not just funding but also the thoughtful feedback which spot checkers provided in their evaluations So we should think of accountability not as carrots & sticks but more as motivation, even though many of us get paid for our work when we have a compatriot tracking our progress it automatically makes us work harder to showcase our best in this light, airdropping money to repos is much worse than streaming money to them based on the fact that they are in your dependency graph, along with comments made by any spot checker on the value their repo provides 4. He sees a short window of time to create a software license with a sliding scale where derivative work that becomes proprietary pays a fee (while it doesn't if it remains open) He even said he would be happy for some of the software he personally writes to be under such a license! But it is important to get the terms right as they are hard to change once it reaches escape velocity 5. Finally, why is public goods important & why should builders spend their time working on it? At a conceptual level, public goods innovation is key to maintaining the ethos of the crypto space in being open & transparent, since we forego commercialization opportunities that web2 has done by keeping their IP close to the chest so instead of building the 101st stablecoin, there is much more leverage in figuring out designs that can sustainably govern the ethereum commons. he also advised new builders in the space that their radical ideas would get more traction with new projects that don't have power brokers who would lose by a change to the system compared to trying to reform existing big ones 3 other bonus points from the episode for those that have stayed to the end; - in a deep funding world where projects support their dependencies, there is a natural evolution function where if a repo stops innovating, lesser projects use it, which means lesser money coming into it. - if we decide to allocate fees to some institution or mechanism for passing on to projects, a key issue becomes ensuring they don't get corrupted or experience purpose drift, like funding preservation of a 3000 year old language when its actual purpose is open source software even in the case of funding mechanisms, how to programmatically figure out in code what is a mechanism vs an institution is hard. preventing the free rider problem with solutions such as "if 51% vote then remaining 49% also comply" have the biggest risk of the 51% voting to siphon away money from the 49% towards themselves - finally, there are some cases where making the wrong decision is catastrophic (concave vs convex). for eg SBF funding lobbyists is very harmful & better if he hadn't done it at all. solving for cases where mechanisms don't produce such negative outcomes is another hard challenge we don't think about. i have seen this occur with airdrops going to those posting on particular forums or making github contributions to a repo which then poisons the well by making those spaces high noise & low signal overall meaty end to the year and helpful podcast for general direction our space should move towards in 2026!
owockai@owocki

NEW POD @vitalikbuterin on the @greenpillnet podcast for a year-end deep dive into public goods funding in the @Ethereum ecosystem. Thx @devanshmehta for co-hosting. We discuss how the landscape has shifted from “vibes-based” funding to verifiable, dependency-driven mechanisms, and why this is the best moment to reform PGF using new tools like programmable cryptography, AI-assisted evaluation, and deep funding models. Vitalik shares how he thinks about dependencies, credible neutrality, open-source licensing, pluralism, accountability, ethereum localism, and what builders should prioritize in the coming year. 00:00 – Welcome to the Greenpill Podcast 01:50 – Vitalik joins: why public goods funding matters 02:19 – Why PGF is essential for decentralization 04:18 – The crypto spirit: censorship resistance, institutional design & funding 06:42 – The shift from vibes-era PGF to verifiable mechanisms 08:25 – Why 2026 is the best moment to reform PGF 10:19 – Where does PGF money actually come from? 12:45 – Open-source licensing, taxes & funding dependencies 17:34 – “Fund your dependencies” as a stable mechanism 19:35 – Why general-purpose QF doesn’t work in a chaotic world 21:59 – Bottom-up vs top-down: polycentric PGF 25:29 – How to create accountability loops in public goods 27:22 – Funding open-source as an Ethereum priority 29:31 – Privacy as a public good & why it’s upstream of PGF 31:54 – What OSS developers really think about crypto 33:52 – Mixing social outreach with financial support 35:56 – What should PGF builders focus on in 2026? 38:13 – Work with new projects, not legacy ones 39:44 – Ecosystem cycles & “layers of sediment” 41:39 – Yield-based funding (Octant) & treasury strategies 43:40 – Accountability: from vibes to rigorous mechanisms 47:35 – Motivation, feedback & the psychology of public goods 50:43 – Profit sharing licenses & sustainable PGF pools 53:46 – Security, issuance & public goods 56:12 – Technology, democracy & long-term risks 58:31 – How PGF relates to DIAC (Defensive/Decentralized Acceleration) 01:00:05 – Solving the free-rider problem without coercion 01:02:12 – Mechanisms vs coercion: credible neutrality 01:04:16 – Institutions, power & capture risks 01:06:16 – Individuals vs institutions in PGF 01:08:41 – Why PGF is more error-tolerant than governance 01:11:01 – Pluralism: many funders, many mechanisms 01:13:14 – Why diversity of funders is healthy 01:15:17 – What Vitalik wants built next 01:17:12 – Ethereum localism & real-world experiments 01:19:28 – What success in PGF looks like by end of 2026 01:24:28 – Closing thoughts

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binji@binji_x·
Still very bullish crypto. Neutral, immutable rails for value transfer/preservation will consistently matter in a world that is ever-shifting and increasingly uncertain. The tokenization of all value will lead to a massive jump in the composability of assets, which should result in new experiences; what the internet did for information, crypto will do for value. Finally, online communities with sovereign economic power will only grow more important as more of our lives become digitally powered, hence why the focus on privacy and quantum resistance as a defense against capture is a key step forward for the movement (note: crypto totally is an jndustry now, but for me, it will always be a movement first).
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Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
@gajesh Just DMed, happy to chat! I've gone through the process 7 times now, of taking mostly other people's rough idea from the design stage to development to deployment & finally documentation in a peer reviewed conference Takes some focus to complete all 4 & not get distracted
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Gajesh@gajesh·
i’m looking to talk to people who’ve unlocked deep focus in their life and work. happy to pay for your time or donate to a charity you care about. specifically, people who can hold a big vision in their head, build a path toward it, and keep walking that path even when novelty, fear, or distraction shows up. i want to hear the stories that changed your mindset around focus. the moments that forced you to become disciplined. the daily systems, hacks, videos, routines, or mental models that helped you lock in. i have minor ADHD, and i’m trying to find natural ways to work with it – not suppress it. there’s a beautiful abstract world ADHD opens up: weird connections, rapid exploration, parallel ideas, creative jumps. AI has helped me amplify that a lot, especially with coding and parallelizing tasks. but there’s a point where parallelization stops helping. you need to choose one path, sit with it, and laser focus until the thing becomes real. i’m trying to get better at that. if this is you, or someone you know, please comment or DM. also feel free to share any methods, videos, books, or hacks that genuinely helped you focus.
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Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
@hyzochain yeah its a big no-no among the AI traders we work with basically becoz they trade according to one parameter, and if that changes then it invalidates the assumptions upon which they made the trades
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Hyzo_hyzo@hyzochain·
@devanshmehta An interesting idea and sounds very profitable. Btw, was recently a discussion about the possibility of changes in forecast conditions. How could this affect the situation in such a case?
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Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
one thing deep funding finally figured out is how to involve degens in public goods funding so far its been just the cypherpunks applying for funding & the regens building the allocation rails The core idea? > run a prediction market to forecast the results of funding rounds, so if project A has a market price of 0.1, that means the market expects it to get 10% of the funding in the round > degens earn a profit if their trades move the market price of the project closer to the actual amount it gets in the round Henceforth i really hope to see prediction markets attached to every public funding program!
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Paul Graham@paulg·
@romlib_ Crypto is a legit and indeed inevitable technology. Usually such things are net positive.
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Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
@kassandraETH Love the KPI you have set for yourselves on more private transactions on Ethereum! After all it is already possible today but just has a ton of user friction, for eg I've never done a pvt txn Happy to test it with kohaku, is an MVP out? When can I start playing with it?
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mrs kzg.eth née kassandra
Second, what makes Kohaku different? The EF has a long track record of R&D on privacy (nice!). But Kohaku was created in a new era with a focus on bringing real privacy to real users in the real world ASAP Our goal is not "experiments" - our goal is more private txs on eth NOW
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I want to get a bit more public about the work we at the Kohaku Initiative inside the EF are doing I notice there's hype but there's also confusion. Best way to clarify things is to speak candidly and openly about what I'm working on day-to-day 🧵time (bc i dont pay twitter $)
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Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
@Shtihmas11 It's actually more degens helping with figure out how much projects should get in funding, only if a % of trading fees went to fund the round itself (which we don't currently have) would it be degens funding regen outcomes Right now they are pure profit maximizers
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@TerezaBizkova @devanshmehta we'd love to build it on top of poidh in the future! once you have a bounty for a specific public goods task, you build a prediction market on top (with the bounty as oracle), let the degens bet on whether it gets done or not, and all trading fees are added to the bounty pot
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Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
@TerezaBizkova You can see the interface at deep.seer.pm Here's also a screenshot, it means the market currently expects flashbots mev boost to capture 1.449% of the funding Would love if you can try it out and give feedback!!
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Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
@jerri_nft @OctantApp We don't need their permission! Once their list of eligible projects are announced, we can use @seer_pm to start a market wth all projects that gets resolved once the epoch ends I suspect it may even increase donations as people try to make the outcome closer to their trades
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Nico | supernova.vision
Unpopular opinion but the more I've seen with ecosystems and apps, the more I appreciate EF's neutral take with its ecosystem Ecosystem that "helps" more usually turn into playing favoritism with apps builders and foster more politics and credential-based allocation of resources and churn organic applications with PMF, or passionate builders who experiment with ideas It's ironic that one of the largest ecosystems in the space hates its top two apps with highest revenue. Its foundation members were actively blocking one of its top volume app in its fund-raising process while its canonical app in the same category has little to no volume despite its 8-fig cash grants. I'm advising the top volume app to move off. Favoritism is also a massive time and attention sink for the ecosystem team. It reminds me of how the communists run their countries, and it never turns out well. The beef between the ecosystem and its most revenue-generating apps reminds me of how Xi doesn't like Jack Ma
vitalik.eth@VitalikButerin

Some of my perspective on where the @ethereumfndn is going. First of all, this is only my own view. The board is not just me, and I have no extra special powers on the board that the other board members do not. @aerugoettinea is the one executing much of this transition. My input has been largely on technical questions. The board is in the process of expanding, and my own power within the org will continue to decrease, which is honestly what I want. The 2025 era brought many important improvements to EF and its ability to execute. Many issues were resolved, and EF continues to benefit from its improved efficiency and greater focus on concrete goals to this day. And so with those problems resolved, early this year, the largest remaining hole that I perceived was something different nagging at me: I would regularly spot people saying things like "vitalik says these beautiful things about ethereum needing to be decentralized, and have privacy, and be a sanctuary technology, but why do the EF's actions not reflect that?" Now, you may have been hearing something different. You may not have been sensing a feeling of crisis at all, and maybe were hearing people saying that finally we were taking execution and BD seriously and the main task for us is to keep going that way and be even better and faster. Then probably there is genuine difference between you and me, in what kinds of criticism I take most seriously, and what kinds of critics through their criticism are most able to make me feel pain. As an analogy, let's briefly switch over to a different domain. One belief you can have about Google is that it is a success story, and has brought a lot of good to humanity in organizing the world's information. Another belief you can have about Google is that they had a beautiful idealistic beginning, but at some point the corruption of mainstream corporate attitudes seeped in, and they slowly bit by bit completely abandoned the "don't be evil" slogan. My belief on Google specifically is probably somewhere between the two. BUT, if you had taken me back in time to ~2008, and offered me a button to press to make Google one or two standard deviations more "dogmatic", eg. give Richard Stallman permanent veto power over some key policies, I would immediately press it. Why? Because a choice for one company is not a choice for the world, or even one country. Google existed and exists in the context of a technology industry generally drifting away from early idealistic don't-be-evil roots and toward greed for financial gain, totalizing visions of accelerated superintelligence, infiltration by sociopaths, and craven capitulation to (or worse, active participation in) government pressure for ideological control, surveillance and war. And so *one company* doing something different, positioning itself to be what George Bernard Shaw calls the Unreasonable Man, resisting the trend of the times, would have been better for freedom, balance of power and stability of society as a whole, than *all* large companies bending to dominant trends. This is a part of my version of pluralism. This line of thinking is not just mine, but I also is not too far off from what Aya and others had in mind with the Mandate. Now how does this all get to the role of the EF? EF is not a "center of Ethereum", rather EF is "one node, with a defined purpose, alongside other nodes". We've always said that the EF should be the latter, but many in the Ethereum ecosystem (and even within the EF) wanted us to be the former. Now, we are taking action to ensure that we will be the latter. This is particularly important because EF is a limited organization, with limited resources and limited organizational capacity. The EF has only ~0.16% of all ETH (less than many other individual ETH holders), whereas among other blockchains it's common for "the central foundation" to have 10-50%. Fiscally, the EF was originally designed to fulfill a limited work scope defined in the token sale docs and other pre-launch materials (building the chain software; getting through Frontier, Homestead, Metropolis, Serenity), which was fully completed in 2022; it was not designed to be an eternal steward. And so today, the EF is choosing to use its remaining resources to pursue longevity over breadth (yes, this means we sell less ETH). The EF focuses *specifically* on those activities critical to the success of ethereum as a censorship/capture-resistant, open, private and secure system, that would not happen otherwise. This means making hard choices, and in some cases even activities that we highly approve of and people that we highly respect becoming outside of the EF. People of great technical talent, public respect and even alignment with the mission and CROPS being outside of the EF is in fact necessary if we want important tasks to be able to attract outside capital. This also means the EF taking opinionated stands culturally. This is all intended in cooperation with all other parts of ethereum. We recognize that many other parts of the ethereum world highly respect CROPS and related values. But highly respecting is not the same as choosing to specialize and totally dedicate to a domain (Compare in a different domain: I think reducing animal cruelty is important, and I like vegan food, but am not full unconditional vegan myself) EF is still in a transition period, and we expect its new long-term form to stabilize over the next few months. What are the guiding principles of this new form? Again, I am only one person, but I can give my answer from a technical perspective (there are also critical non-technical aspects). At the core, *Ethereum must be impressive*. We are living in an age of highly intelligent AI and all kinds of other technological acceleration. "Status quo EVM, with a hard fork or two a year to optimize for short-term needs of users" is not interesting. To some, "impressive" means: 250ms latency and 1M TPS. I think Ethereum trying to go that route is a mistake. Being as fast and as scalable as possible, and only a small epsilon more decentralized than the others, is a route to mediocrity, and if we try it we will lose. I think Ethereum should scale. But I think Ethereum should strive the hardest to be deeply impressive in a different dimension: the CROPS dimension. This means things like: * Provably bug-free Ethereum. This is a goal that all cybersecurity researchers would have thought is absurd and impossible, up until roughly 6 months ago. Now, it's on the cusp of being possible, thanks to AI-assisted formal verification. So we should be frontrunners in doing this. * Available chain consensus. Ethereum is, and with lean consensus will cotninue to be, the ONLY chain that has both (i) traditional-BFT style properties that it's safe under asynchrony up to a high level of fault tolerance, and (ii) the bitcoin PoW-style property that under synchrony it's safe up to 49% attackers. As far as I can tell, literally no other chain has this or is planning for it; bitcoin goes for (ii) only and most other chains go for (i) only. Some will remember I fought hard for this, Unreasonably insisting that it is not OK for ethereum to rely on social consensus and hard forks to rescue ethereum from 34% of nodes going offline. It's OK for chains like hyperledger, bnb, solana, tempo, etc. It's not OK for bitcoin or ethereum or eg. zcash. * Intermediary minimization. The fact that smart contract wallets, protocols like railgun, etc have to send transactions through intermediaries to get included onchain is honestly embarrassing, and it's a constant point of fragility. Hence the work on FOCIL and EIP-8141 (and 7701 and years of work before) to make transaction sending intermediary-minimized with public mempool and strong inclusion properties, in a truly general-purpose way, that covers not just eg. secp256r1, but also privacy protocols and much more. Kohaku is pushing intermediary minimization at the user layer, pulling Ethereum away from the dystopian status quo world where our wallets don't even verify the chain, send our private data out to a dozen third-party servers, and toward a brighter CROPS future. Some of these goals are Unreasonable - maybe Ethereum would be "fine" getting only 50% of the way - what if we depend on intermediaries, but make it easy to switch? But going 50% of the way would not make Ethereum Deeply Impressive in the CROPS way. So we push for 100%. Fortunately all these goals are compatible with high TPS, this is a major focus of research (esp. on scaling the state). Well-designed L2s can also help, especially L2s optimized for specific applications (eg. high-volume trading, privacy...). These goals are even compatible with significantly lower slot times, thanks to Raul's work on erasure-coded P2P, and many other optimizations. The most high-value "product" of the ethereum blockchain, financially speaking, is ETH the asset. Ethereum secures $250 billion of ETH. The types of properties of Ethereum that I mentioned above are very good for ETH the asset. Nearly 90% of my net worth is in ETH, and most of the remainder is ~$40m of onchain fiat of which every dollar has already been allocated for some open-source biotech or software or hardware initiative. That said, there are aspects of supporting ETH the asset - *necessary* aspects even - that are outside the scope of the EF. This is where we need other heroes (some of whom hold more ETH than the EF does) to step in and help. EF has been recently thinking more about how it will relate to other such organizations, and give them needed initial support. EF will be a smaller ship than in previous years, a more opinionated one - in some cases more opinionated in ways that might be difficult to comprehend - but a longer-lasting one, and one suited to making sure that ethereum brings something meaningful to the world. We are grateful to all those inside and outside the EF who are helping to make this happen.

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Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
@jordoxx thats the best part - its not even necessarily retro funding! it can be prospective funding too for eg, the ENS service providers program has teams applying on their governance forum, so we can then run a prediction market on which funding requests will be approved
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vitalik.eth
vitalik.eth@VitalikButerin·
Some of my perspective on where the @ethereumfndn is going. First of all, this is only my own view. The board is not just me, and I have no extra special powers on the board that the other board members do not. @aerugoettinea is the one executing much of this transition. My input has been largely on technical questions. The board is in the process of expanding, and my own power within the org will continue to decrease, which is honestly what I want. The 2025 era brought many important improvements to EF and its ability to execute. Many issues were resolved, and EF continues to benefit from its improved efficiency and greater focus on concrete goals to this day. And so with those problems resolved, early this year, the largest remaining hole that I perceived was something different nagging at me: I would regularly spot people saying things like "vitalik says these beautiful things about ethereum needing to be decentralized, and have privacy, and be a sanctuary technology, but why do the EF's actions not reflect that?" Now, you may have been hearing something different. You may not have been sensing a feeling of crisis at all, and maybe were hearing people saying that finally we were taking execution and BD seriously and the main task for us is to keep going that way and be even better and faster. Then probably there is genuine difference between you and me, in what kinds of criticism I take most seriously, and what kinds of critics through their criticism are most able to make me feel pain. As an analogy, let's briefly switch over to a different domain. One belief you can have about Google is that it is a success story, and has brought a lot of good to humanity in organizing the world's information. Another belief you can have about Google is that they had a beautiful idealistic beginning, but at some point the corruption of mainstream corporate attitudes seeped in, and they slowly bit by bit completely abandoned the "don't be evil" slogan. My belief on Google specifically is probably somewhere between the two. BUT, if you had taken me back in time to ~2008, and offered me a button to press to make Google one or two standard deviations more "dogmatic", eg. give Richard Stallman permanent veto power over some key policies, I would immediately press it. Why? Because a choice for one company is not a choice for the world, or even one country. Google existed and exists in the context of a technology industry generally drifting away from early idealistic don't-be-evil roots and toward greed for financial gain, totalizing visions of accelerated superintelligence, infiltration by sociopaths, and craven capitulation to (or worse, active participation in) government pressure for ideological control, surveillance and war. And so *one company* doing something different, positioning itself to be what George Bernard Shaw calls the Unreasonable Man, resisting the trend of the times, would have been better for freedom, balance of power and stability of society as a whole, than *all* large companies bending to dominant trends. This is a part of my version of pluralism. This line of thinking is not just mine, but I also is not too far off from what Aya and others had in mind with the Mandate. Now how does this all get to the role of the EF? EF is not a "center of Ethereum", rather EF is "one node, with a defined purpose, alongside other nodes". We've always said that the EF should be the latter, but many in the Ethereum ecosystem (and even within the EF) wanted us to be the former. Now, we are taking action to ensure that we will be the latter. This is particularly important because EF is a limited organization, with limited resources and limited organizational capacity. The EF has only ~0.16% of all ETH (less than many other individual ETH holders), whereas among other blockchains it's common for "the central foundation" to have 10-50%. Fiscally, the EF was originally designed to fulfill a limited work scope defined in the token sale docs and other pre-launch materials (building the chain software; getting through Frontier, Homestead, Metropolis, Serenity), which was fully completed in 2022; it was not designed to be an eternal steward. And so today, the EF is choosing to use its remaining resources to pursue longevity over breadth (yes, this means we sell less ETH). The EF focuses *specifically* on those activities critical to the success of ethereum as a censorship/capture-resistant, open, private and secure system, that would not happen otherwise. This means making hard choices, and in some cases even activities that we highly approve of and people that we highly respect becoming outside of the EF. People of great technical talent, public respect and even alignment with the mission and CROPS being outside of the EF is in fact necessary if we want important tasks to be able to attract outside capital. This also means the EF taking opinionated stands culturally. This is all intended in cooperation with all other parts of ethereum. We recognize that many other parts of the ethereum world highly respect CROPS and related values. But highly respecting is not the same as choosing to specialize and totally dedicate to a domain (Compare in a different domain: I think reducing animal cruelty is important, and I like vegan food, but am not full unconditional vegan myself) EF is still in a transition period, and we expect its new long-term form to stabilize over the next few months. What are the guiding principles of this new form? Again, I am only one person, but I can give my answer from a technical perspective (there are also critical non-technical aspects). At the core, *Ethereum must be impressive*. We are living in an age of highly intelligent AI and all kinds of other technological acceleration. "Status quo EVM, with a hard fork or two a year to optimize for short-term needs of users" is not interesting. To some, "impressive" means: 250ms latency and 1M TPS. I think Ethereum trying to go that route is a mistake. Being as fast and as scalable as possible, and only a small epsilon more decentralized than the others, is a route to mediocrity, and if we try it we will lose. I think Ethereum should scale. But I think Ethereum should strive the hardest to be deeply impressive in a different dimension: the CROPS dimension. This means things like: * Provably bug-free Ethereum. This is a goal that all cybersecurity researchers would have thought is absurd and impossible, up until roughly 6 months ago. Now, it's on the cusp of being possible, thanks to AI-assisted formal verification. So we should be frontrunners in doing this. * Available chain consensus. Ethereum is, and with lean consensus will cotninue to be, the ONLY chain that has both (i) traditional-BFT style properties that it's safe under asynchrony up to a high level of fault tolerance, and (ii) the bitcoin PoW-style property that under synchrony it's safe up to 49% attackers. As far as I can tell, literally no other chain has this or is planning for it; bitcoin goes for (ii) only and most other chains go for (i) only. Some will remember I fought hard for this, Unreasonably insisting that it is not OK for ethereum to rely on social consensus and hard forks to rescue ethereum from 34% of nodes going offline. It's OK for chains like hyperledger, bnb, solana, tempo, etc. It's not OK for bitcoin or ethereum or eg. zcash. * Intermediary minimization. The fact that smart contract wallets, protocols like railgun, etc have to send transactions through intermediaries to get included onchain is honestly embarrassing, and it's a constant point of fragility. Hence the work on FOCIL and EIP-8141 (and 7701 and years of work before) to make transaction sending intermediary-minimized with public mempool and strong inclusion properties, in a truly general-purpose way, that covers not just eg. secp256r1, but also privacy protocols and much more. Kohaku is pushing intermediary minimization at the user layer, pulling Ethereum away from the dystopian status quo world where our wallets don't even verify the chain, send our private data out to a dozen third-party servers, and toward a brighter CROPS future. Some of these goals are Unreasonable - maybe Ethereum would be "fine" getting only 50% of the way - what if we depend on intermediaries, but make it easy to switch? But going 50% of the way would not make Ethereum Deeply Impressive in the CROPS way. So we push for 100%. Fortunately all these goals are compatible with high TPS, this is a major focus of research (esp. on scaling the state). Well-designed L2s can also help, especially L2s optimized for specific applications (eg. high-volume trading, privacy...). These goals are even compatible with significantly lower slot times, thanks to Raul's work on erasure-coded P2P, and many other optimizations. The most high-value "product" of the ethereum blockchain, financially speaking, is ETH the asset. Ethereum secures $250 billion of ETH. The types of properties of Ethereum that I mentioned above are very good for ETH the asset. Nearly 90% of my net worth is in ETH, and most of the remainder is ~$40m of onchain fiat of which every dollar has already been allocated for some open-source biotech or software or hardware initiative. That said, there are aspects of supporting ETH the asset - *necessary* aspects even - that are outside the scope of the EF. This is where we need other heroes (some of whom hold more ETH than the EF does) to step in and help. EF has been recently thinking more about how it will relate to other such organizations, and give them needed initial support. EF will be a smaller ship than in previous years, a more opinionated one - in some cases more opinionated in ways that might be difficult to comprehend - but a longer-lasting one, and one suited to making sure that ethereum brings something meaningful to the world. We are grateful to all those inside and outside the EF who are helping to make this happen.
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these proposals usually get shut down, but this is an interesting proposal about using validator rewards to fund @ethereum growth it might be specially relevant now that there are discussions about reducing issuance if there was like a more business-oriented second foundation, then validators could "vote" to dedicate rewards to it, without a tragedy of the commons type of situation
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Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta·
Looking back, this was the round where it was clear that @Giveth had built a superior quadratic funding product than @gitcoin their killer feature was enabling interop by default, as you simply sent money to a projects EOA wallet from the Giveth front end if gitcoin had similarly architected their system, we could have avoided the super high gas fees during the beta round in 2021, the whole public goods network fiasco, and a ton of bridging pain for users the main tradeoff was higher trust requirements as compromising giveths front-end is a security risk compared to gitcoins fully smart contract based approach for all its limitations, QF remains the workhorse for distributing public goods funding even today!
Devansh Mehta@devanshmehta

Last 24 hours to show some love to the projects in the Giveth QF round. Your participation helps with better allocation of $100k in matching funds! I donated to 15 projects in all. Here's a review of my experience & how it differs from @gitcoin rounds The Good What i absolutely loved about the round was the multi-chain, multi-token support It makes the gitcoin experience of single chain support feel... unnecessary giveth has even integrated solana 🤯 It was also quite clever of their team to put $5 as the amount to qualify for Givbacks lottery. singlehandedly 5x'ed the amount i give each project & increased their community contribution total Great, could be better I loved the fact that i could tip Giveth for the checkout. Why doesn't gitcoin have this? We need funding infrastructure to become sustainable what could be made better is not subtracting the tip from the amount im giving to a project, instead increasing the total by adding the tip amount The Bad No cart feature 😭 took me 30 minutes to give to 15 projects since i had to individually donate to each of them Their scroll feature was also quite irritating, since all projects don't display and i have to wait for the screen to load every 20 projects I definitely think their UI will break if they reach gitcoin scale of projects competing in the round The Ugly Their team reached out & said at least 3 projects should be donated for it to count in matching, since they use cluster QF this wasn't mentioned anywhere i could see. a simple message informing donors they should give to 3 projects minimum would help save wasted donations Their sybil checks were also confusing. Initially it said i need to verify QF eligibility but when i clicked on check eligibility, it took me to the passport page which auto verified my ethereum activity? why couldn't this have been done in the background? i hope matching funds don't get DQ'ed because donors have not taken this unnecessary step. Overall great experience, a solid 8 on 10 I love that we now have a duopoly in the QF space, so that each project can take features from one another Giveth, please do cart function of gitcoin gitcoin, please do tip feature of giveth and multi-chain, multi token support in rounds

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@antonttc yeah another example that comes to mind here is how the Gates foundation paid a bunch of money to a social enterprise called dimagi for them to open source their code its not entirely fitting with subtraction or improvements though; isn't it better that uniswap is sustainable?
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Anton Cheng@antonttc·
@devanshmehta Yup it's a perfect example: EF could have enforced a no fee policy on uniswap, (in the model I have in my mind here). Which would make it a pure primitive that everyone built on instead of trying to fork + launch their own token with different fee model
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Anton Cheng@antonttc·
Absolutely. The EF should definitely prioritize CROPS. The ultimate goal of building a "censorship-resistant machine" is something only Ethereum can accomplish. If Ethereum doesn't meet this goal, no one else will, and much of what makes "blockchain" beneficial will gradually diminish. The problem is that they’ve been going about this in a pretty exclusive way, which is causing a lot of frustration for other players that want to help Ethereum fulfill its larger mission for humanity. I feel like the EF have a good goal, but just don't have a practical plan about how to achieve it. For years, the EF has been openly giving out grants (the ESP grants), but the application process specifically targets "no fee, non-financial" use cases. This creates a barrier to developing a feedback loop where people can build valuable protocols and reinvest in Ethereum. Literally, the EF won’t back you if there's a chance you might turn a profit. What’s the outcome? DeFi had to come up with tokenomics all by itself, later on, many shifted to alt l1s that could pay them some grant money. This is not about greed, it’s really just survival. I think the EF underestimate the resources needed to launch something. This lack of support spreads talent thin across various alt L1s. I’ve chatted with plenty of impressive teams on alt l1s, and they all want to be on Ethereum because of its liquidity and composability. The downside is that they can’t afford to do so, as they find more accessible resources ($$) to launch their products on other platforms. So yes, everyone recognizes Ethereum’s value, and all builders want to be involved. Ethereum is a genuine dream for anyone who believes in technology. The unfortunate reality is that not everyone has the means to turn that dream into a reality. The Foundation should be offering grants to those who just need a $40k check to get their protocol off the ground and have their contracts audited. They could require these protocols to return the first $100k in revenue back to the pot, and even become "feeless" after that: that's how you build public goods. They can only accept applications aftr all solidity code is finalized, with standards set by the Foundation. They could enforce immutability a maximized level of decentralization. I promise you, a lot of anon cypherpunks will step up and create "simple and amazing things." Maybe someone else should do it. But no one has a better position than the foundation.
Laura Shin@laurashin

This person is saying I’m “jumping ship from Ethereum”??? Nothing could be further from the truth: I’m expressing concern that the EF doesn’t recognize that the competition is about to become more fierce than ever and it’s not willing to fight for it. That’s not the same. And I think the EF can set CROPS as the guiding light for Ethereum but also say it’s going to fight for those things by focusing on cryptoeconomics and by pushing BD. I don’t think those things are mutually exclusive. In fact, I think crypto economics and BD can help Ethereum win. And I don’t think it’s even controversial to have these views. I think these are obvious things.

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@antonttc right, i guess the archetypal case here is uniswap which received a $50k grant from the EF in the early days and has now gone back to contribute much more than that to our ecosystem even those success cases have now gone on to business license or vc investments though 🤔
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I think this is over simplifying what building projects mean. Not everyone is building for max extract, which is supported by VC. VCs make money in defi through tokenomics, which require you to design a narrative that would pump the token price from day one of launch and get as much attention as possible. This is just how the whole industry is. This excludes lots of projects and talents that simply want to build cypherpunk stuff at protocol level, which has $ at stake therefore needs an audit.
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@MattFiebach Tbf it did achieve their goal of making OP stack the default for those looking to launch their own L2 Value accrual was the missing piece , they succeeded decently at adoption though
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Throw back to when Optimism paid Uniswap Labs like $100m and kraken like $50m to launch op stack chains.
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