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@dimitrispp

Computational Neuroscience, Psychiatry & Neuromarketing @pinotsislab.bsky.social

London, England Katılım Mayıs 2010
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In #depression, electric fields diverging from the activity of neurons that generate them may signal a loss of coordinated control—much like an orchestra in which musicians gradually drift out of alignment with the conductor academic.oup.com/cercor/article…
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Stuart Hameroff@StuartHameroff·
Thanks Dimitris By ‘reshaping’ you’re suggesting microtubules encode memory, which I believe to be true. Synaptic proteins last hours to days but memories can last lifetimes. There are about 10^8 tubulins per neuron, each with about 30 possible genetic or post translational states so that’s a lot of possible mosaics. Microtubules don’t divide so the lattice memory mosaic is preserved. When microtubules fall apart as they do in Alzheimer’s, memory is lost.
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Right @StuartHameroff , microtubules could be the fastest to respond to field effects , e.g. once a memory is recalled, and balance out drift by being the first to reshape themselves so that they preserve the overall electric field after some neurons have dropped out.

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pinotsislab@dimitrispp·
Right @StuartHameroff , microtubules could be the fastest to respond to field effects , e.g. once a memory is recalled, and balance out drift by being the first to reshape themselves so that they preserve the overall electric field after some neurons have dropped out.
Stuart Hameroff@StuartHameroff

Thanks Dimitris So the neural activity correlating with shifting mental representation comes from charge movements in cytoskeleton, like the charged C-termini tails with ions from each tubulin. ingentaconnect.com/content/imp/jc… And in your previous paper you showed that such activity sculpted information and memory into the cytoskeleton, e.g. in different neurons. In this paper @anirbanbandyo ‘s group showed functional communication among neurons mediated by cytoskeletal megahertz and gigahertz pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33881910/ So it’s possible representational drift is mediated through microtubules in different neurons (and glia?) oscillating and entangling in megahertz and gigahertz. Microtubules are the most likely site for memory encoding in the brain. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22412364/ As Earl has been pointing out, it seems the brain has two modes. 1) A connectome-based computational modal mode, and 2) A distributed wave field-like, faster (?quantum) mode, possibly a collective time crystal. Maybe 2) is for consciousness, and 1) is for it to interface with the external world. And maybe we’re all like Steve Martin in his great film ‘The man with two brains’. @lndriscoll

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Stuart Hameroff
Stuart Hameroff@StuartHameroff·
Thanks Dimitris So the neural activity correlating with shifting mental representation comes from charge movements in cytoskeleton, like the charged C-termini tails with ions from each tubulin. ingentaconnect.com/content/imp/jc… And in your previous paper you showed that such activity sculpted information and memory into the cytoskeleton, e.g. in different neurons. In this paper @anirbanbandyo ‘s group showed functional communication among neurons mediated by cytoskeletal megahertz and gigahertz pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33881910/ So it’s possible representational drift is mediated through microtubules in different neurons (and glia?) oscillating and entangling in megahertz and gigahertz. Microtubules are the most likely site for memory encoding in the brain. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22412364/ As Earl has been pointing out, it seems the brain has two modes. 1) A connectome-based computational modal mode, and 2) A distributed wave field-like, faster (?quantum) mode, possibly a collective time crystal. Maybe 2) is for consciousness, and 1) is for it to interface with the external world. And maybe we’re all like Steve Martin in his great film ‘The man with two brains’. @lndriscoll
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@StuartHameroff Neural activity seems to be coordinated and constrained by the electric field arising from all charged structures in the cytoskeleton, including microtubules , and processes like mechanotransduction, resulting from cytoelectric coupling sciencedirect.com/science/articl…

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pinotsislab@dimitrispp·
@StuartHameroff Neural activity seems to be coordinated and constrained by the electric field arising from all charged structures in the cytoskeleton, including microtubules , and processes like mechanotransduction, resulting from cytoelectric coupling sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
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Stuart Hameroff@StuartHameroff·
What is the origin of the neural activity which maintains representation while drifting? Is it membrane, or cytoskeletal? I’d bet on cytoskeletal microtubules which can 1) represent memory pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22412364/ 2) communicate information among different neurons in megahertz and gigahertz pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33881910/ (Are your ‘deep circuits’ what they call ‘hidden circuits’?)
Earl K. Miller@MillerLabMIT

@dimitrispp showed that electric fields carry info and have *little or no representational drift* Beyond dimension reduction: Stable electric fields emerge from and allow representational drift doi.org/10.1016/j.neur… #neuroscience

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Micah G. Allen@micahgallen·
The geometry of neural dynamics along the cortical attractor landscape directly reflects changes in attention, as large-scale brain activity shifts across its hills and valleys depending on the state. nature.com/articles/s4146…
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CLaE@leafs_s·
Nature Reviews Neuroscience Categorization is ‘baked’ into the brain nature.com/articles/s4158…
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pinotsislab@dimitrispp·
Interesting parallels between connectioism in neurons and microtubules, thanks @StuartHameroff
Stuart Hameroff@StuartHameroff

Congratulations Dimitris, Andre and Earl I think Predictive Coding/Recurrent Processing occurs at multiple scales including faster intracellular processing among mixed polarity networks of microtubules inside neuronal dendrites and soma (and ONLY there in all biology)! Here’s a paper we wrote in 1990 modeling information processing with error correction between two adjacent anti-parallel microtubules connected by microtubule-associated proteins (‘MAPs). ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990PhyD..… They learned! Why else would dendrites and soma have networks of mixed polarity, interrupted microtubules in anti-parallel arrays? Is this how unicellular organisms use PC/RP? Is lower dimension actually slower frequency scales, e.g. through interference in faster microtubule oscillations?

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Stuart Hameroff@StuartHameroff·
Predictive coding/ recurrent processing happens at multiple levels including between antiparallel microtubules
Robert Ziman@robziman

@StuartHameroff What, in your opinion, are the best runners-up to Orch OR? (or best aspects of competing theories, etc) ... If you were to play devil's advocate and as a concession/further answer to critics.

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Earl K. Miller
Earl K. Miller@MillerLabMIT·
Electric fields. Brains are awash in them and they have an influence. It would be weird if they didn't. Ephaptic coupling and power fluctuations in depression doi.org/10.1093/cercor… #neuroscience
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Stuart Hameroff@StuartHameroff·
I disagree that action potentials are the fundamental mode in consciousness. They may just report conscious results from end-integration/orchestration, e.g. Orch OR among layer 5 pyramidal neuron soma with their huge arrays of mixed polarity microtubules. As the articles show, the brain uses photons and electromagnetic oscillations at multiple frequencies. How does the brain, and life in general transcend and integrate over spatiotemporal scale??? Microtubule time crystals engage in terahertz, gigahertz, megahertz, kilohertz and hertz (EEG). ingentaconnect.com/content/imp/jc… These oscillations can be entangled and coherent across brain regions and support consciousness in the Orch OR theory. Terahertz: photons in EEG (Murugan) and microtubules (Craddock, Tuszynski) Gigahertz and megahertz inter neuronal signaling journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.11… Kilohertz (Neuralink) Hertz Isolated microtubules oscillate at 39 hertz pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10…
Earl K. Miller@MillerLabMIT

Action potentials are fundamental but there is more going on in brain function. doi.org/10.3389/fnsys.… #neuroscience

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