Carp & Bull

@MrWanMath1 @AlistairMerrym1 @reachjulieroys 😂😂

@AlistairMerrym1 @reachjulieroys can you confirm that you started the fires in California?

On this week's episode of the Mike Bickle support group, Lisa Bickle Stribling curses Julie Roys for causing fires in California and destroying the hero of the Jews and godly men of Dallas, Texas. Warning: This video contains profanity.

@mrvaldez__ Lol, agreed 😅

@diosMios79 @joelrichardson If we read all our texts out loud we’d be very surprised by how people talk I think. Maybe everyone should go get a therapy session. Yes I shouldn’t have said chicks. That was a little condescending sounding. I don’t mean it that way.

NORMALIZE CHANGING YOUR OPINION WHEN PRESENTED WITH NEW INFORMATION. IT’S FINE. I PROMISE

IHOPKC: a statement on screenshots, & the complaints & insults there-in, from me, an outsider: I've seen 2 or 3 leaks of private or group chat msgs. In those leaks are criticisms, complaints, insults, & venting against the character or actions of others. These contents are NOT a scandal. These comments are NORMAL processing. Joel & Amy, & other accounts, have publicly & persistently criticised & insulted other IHOPKC survivors, & slandered their ministries, in groups & long threads & sub-tweets. Yet they are bothered over private venting, that has never publicly (on Twitter, in my sight) been revealed or used against others?! Joel & Amy want their own perception of their trauma to be centered & affirmed. Yet, the accounts that support them, want us to be scandalised, bcoz others **privately** shared their own personal traumas?! Who gets to have trauma here? Who is allowed to say they have trauma? Who is allowed to talk about their trauma? You & I, & EVERYONE everywhere on earth, have said the the same things as what we see in the screenshots. Our venting was listened to, & then we moved on. Just bcoz people's venting is preserved forever online, doesn't mean the people who wrote it are going back to it, or standing on it & referencing it, or using it against others. Joel & Amy are going back to their own venting & their own trauma, standing on it, referencing it, & using it against others. Over & over, like a dog returning to its vomit. I don't know how to finish this this tweet. Um. I've never had the words, in the screenshots, vomited on me. I've never seen those words used against others. Yet Joel & Amy have vomited their trauma all over many people, persistently, picking it up & vomiting it out again, over at least 16 months' time. Meanwhile, bcoz I've been blocked by them, I've been having a good time with Susan & others, of iron-sharpening-iron. And never ONCE have their names come up. If Beth hadn't gone public about her interactions, I never woulda known about this gangrene, this vomitous gangrene of inter-survivor "I'm a bigger victim than you" competition. Susan, & anyone else affected, have held it in & covered it with peace & grace for so long, giving space to Joel & Amy to heal. No more. Let Joel's & Amy's victims share their own trauma now. Let fresh wise eyes come in, & bring order & accountability & resources for healing. Go to your local celebraterecovery.com Mine have been the safest, most private, most Godly, most tolerant & welcoming, most productive spaces I've ever encountered. No expectations or demands, just total acceptance, total privacy, & a Biblical foundation for healing. Get Zoom therapy at faithsolutiondmv.com/about She's a decades-long pro in abuse recovery: trauma therapy, CBT, DBT, marginalised populations, & I think even Spanish-language services. And get thorough medical & holistic psychiatry at amenclinics.com And trauma isn't a competition. EVERYONE's trauma is valid, for them & the ones supporting them. NO ONE's trauma is invalidated, ever, just bcoz other trauma exists. No one has to prove they were hurt worse than someone else. We all experience hurt differently & uniquely. We all get to choose our level of hurt, & we all get to say that it's traumatic for us. We all get to say that we've been hurt by someone else. Trauma is NEVER a shield, to prevent others from sharing their own wounds caused by the traumatised person! There is NO trauma competition here. Go use the above links for healing. And the screenshots are not scandalous. They're normal human venting. They don't affect my view of ANYONE named in them.

@liaronthealtar @DeMentCoryR129 @bethkiraly_ I'm saying that I see a pattern of misapplying concepts (and/or therapy language) in order to support your point and I'm not here for that

@diosMios79 @DeMentCoryR129 @bethkiraly_ That is your right. Re: your claim - Mullen's work is not therapy language, but rather research-based tools provided for aid in recognizing if a situation is abusive, which is pertinent to the discussion being had here regarding whether the descriptor "abuse" is appropriate.

Over the last few days, @Joel7Richardson has publicly accused advocate(s) of abuse in serious yet harmfully vague ways. When I asked him publicly about this, he messaged me privately to discuss the matter. He sent me his number and said I could call him. I thanked him for his willingness to speak with me and requested to have a 3rd party present for everyone’s protection, especially considering Joel’s statement that he already “did not feel safe” with me. (Understandable…we are strangers) I would have never dreamt of releasing DMs between myself & anyone without their explicit permission. However, I was blocked by Joel minutes after he first DMed me for reasons that still remain a mystery to me. Was it that I asked for a 3rd party (of your recommendation) to be present? Was it I wouldn’t jump on the phone with you, just the 2 of us at 10:30 at night? My last message didn’t even go through because he blocked me so fast. This is the only contact I have ever had with Joel outside of public correspondence on X. This is concerning to me on so many levels, but at this point I felt the need to speak up and minimize any likelihood of a “he said/she said” situation. My personal and professional reputation are important to me, so I would rather take ownership of releasing screenshots of DMs (which I hate doing) than risk Joel feeling more emboldened to behave this way, calling it boundaries or whatever else. I have no idea what Joel’s version of events might be, and I can’t assume that he is maligning me to people in his corner. However, I also can’t say that I trust (or understand) Joel’s interpretation of events, seeing as he blocked me, seemingly for making a reasonable request. I know that Joel has done a lot of good in the charismania advocacy world over the last few years. But if ANY person of influence in this vulnerable space (including Susan or anyone else he’s referring to) were behaving this way, I’d feel the need to speak up and share my experience openly and with enough detail so survivors can make their own decisions about who to trust.

@liaronthealtar @DeMentCoryR129 @bethkiraly_ You asked and I answered. TBH, I have noticed a pattern of weaponizing therapy language from this account, so I do not feel comfortable further engaging.

@diosMios79 @DeMentCoryR129 @bethkiraly_ Thank you for demonstrative the efficacy of concessions. For everyone else, I recommend referencing this article from Wade Mullen and deciding for yourself, using the helpful SCORE criteria therein: open.substack.com/pub/wademullen…

@liaronthealtar @DeMentCoryR129 @bethkiraly_ Yes. And in my humble, non-professional opinion, that is not what I'm seeing here.

@diosMios79 @DeMentCoryR129 @bethkiraly_ Carp & Bull, are you familiar with Wade Mullen's concept of concessions and the impact they can have on a victim?

@DeMentCoryR129 @liaronthealtar @bethkiraly_

@DeMentCoryR129 @liaronthealtar @bethkiraly_

I do not know Joel, but we have several mutual friends and he is coming across as unhinged. Perhaps he thinks people are coming for his reputation & therefore his livelihood? The amount of defensiveness he has shown over & over when asked simple questions is concerning. I have nothing but respect for Susan & the way she has advocated for abuse survivors (including myself). I have never witnessed any kind of abuse from her. No name calling. No “call me at this ridiculous time or you must not care what I have to say.” I cannot say the same about Joel. Joel is also very adamant about everyone having accountability & covering, so my question is WHERE is his accountability? Who is allowing his accusatory, childish behavior to continue? (Yes name calling is childish) He is, it seems, publicly abusing the abused. He throws around the word “abuse” while blatantly being a bully. @MikeWingerii @rbohlender @RonSCantor if Joel is going to continue this behavior publicly (and in DMs which people obviously have receipts of) then he should be held accountable publicly. Instead, he’s out here trying to get people to buy his new book. As you know, these are small circles that we run/ran in & stories get twisted, turned around & sometimes are even blatant lies. I would encourage one of you to listen to everyone involved & consider their character. There is no reason for this to continue. My grown children, who are not Christians, see things like this & it further proves to them that Christians are the first to attack their own. I’d love to show them a different view….perhaps one of love, peace & truth where men are the first to step up and defend women from being bullied by anyone for any reason. Full stop.

Yall. @Joel7Richardson is obsessively attacking female IHOPkc survivors online, harassing them and calling them abusers while calling himself an advocate. Anyone who points out his misogyny from a platform is called a flying monkey (oh hey ironic misogyny) and/or blocked.

@johnnarae @tom_pureheart @joelrichardson I was gracious at the time and heard him out, but was (am) extremely uncomfortable that he was reaching out to randoms to try to turn people against Susan and rally for support for "his side". It felt manipulative, controlling and downright gross.

@johnnarae @tom_pureheart I just want to back this up — @joelrichardson sent me unsolicited DMs about Susan (I think he referred to her as "the advocate", but it was clear who he was talking about) back in May 2024. We had never messaged before and haven't since.

There comes a point in these online spaces where professionals of various spaces need to decide when and where to step in. For me yesterday watching a man with a significant platform harm a woman yet again with false accusations was it 1/

@Joel7Richardson @petefrompitt @johnnarae @DeMentCoryR129 Joel, on numerous occasions over the years you have spoken publicly about your wife's chronic illness and that she has often been bed ridden because of it. I genuinely have compassion for her — but this claim is deeply dishonest of you.

@petefrompitt @johnnarae @DeMentCoryR129 She put my wife in bed to the point of death. Since then, she has lied and slandered me and her. She is the one monitoring my comments. Spare me. You are partnering with abusers.

The left often rages against "the patriarchy." While it is absolutely true that patterns of abuse are often found under the patriarchal system, the reality is that patriarchy is biblical, and it is the order that the Lord established. Raging against it (as opposed to simply raging against common patterns of abuse that can and do manifest anywhere) is to rage against the creator Himself. Can I get an amen?

@johnnarae @DeMentCoryR129 @mrvaldez__ @realprophetguy 👏👏👏

@DeMentCoryR129 @diosMios79 @mrvaldez__ @realprophetguy Susan is not a girl. She’s a woman. Instead of complaining about her how about you go use your manly privilege to call for accountability amongst your brothers.

Sometimes I look at the church and think “where did we go wrong?” And then I think, “oh, it might have been around here.”

@DeMentCoryR129 @mrvaldez__ @realprophetguy Well, I'll save you the "betrayal" and let ya know that you probably shouldn't be talking to me either 😉 ♀️

@mrvaldez__ @diosMios79 @realprophetguy I have boundaries when interacting with women online out of respect for my wife. When the MB scandal broke things were emotional & intimate & boundaries were something I was hyper aware of. Make fun of me all you want. I’ll go home to my beautiful wife & not care.

@DeMentCoryR129 @realprophetguy Dude, you're telling on yourself. That you felt betrayed when you learned she's a woman really says it all 😂

@realprophetguy I am familiar with your account. I felt very betrayed when I found out you were lying about your gender & identity and then bragging about your manipulative intentions in your bio.