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@WatcherGuru They already did it’s called stable coins, and there’s a bunch of them
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JUST IN: 🇺🇸 US House officially passes bill to ban the Federal Reserve from creating a CBDC until 2030.
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1morestep@dogw__d·
@MicheleHarmonic It’s not a blind vote yes no abstain. Why would and should people vote on something that they arnt aware of? It make total sense have a space that these conversations happen. Every government in the world does it and they vote based on what is discussed in that space. Com on
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🪏 Michele | Harmonic@MicheleHarmonic·
I am not necessarily opposed to a discord or other channel I believe that people should be free to discuss where they seem fit according to their own judgement However I am opposed to blind votes (YES, NO or ABSTAIN equally) "I'm voting NO because the proposer is not in the discord" is just as dismissing of a rationale as "I'm voting NO because ADA is under 3$" As a DRep you should*at the very least* make an effort to understand what you are voting for.
YUTA-Cardano/CPA(DMは全て詐欺)@yutazzz

Here's a summary of three Cardano Discord videos by IOG: If you don't join this Discord, you'll be subject to an automatic NO vote by the DReps party, including Charles DRep. They aim to become the largest DRep and lead the ecosystem. The goal is to create an annual omnibus proposal within the Discord. In short, this Discord is not just another Discord, but could potentially become a requirement for treasury spending, so those aiming for that should pay attention. This is simply information sharing, not my opinion. I. Diagnosis — the venue, not the people. Cardano's governance breaks down because it happens on X, a broadcast medium whose reward is attention and influence. That structure amplifies ego and turns every exchange into a win/lose spectacle. Real agreement requires three things — empathy, shared goals, and aligned incentives — and none of them can form on a broadcast channel. Without them you cannot set goals, build strategy, or collaborate, so governance is structurally impossible. Intersect was supposed to be the dedicated space but failed, partly because X already dominated the conversation and a small group of critics (he claims fewer than 100) controls the narrative. II. The objective. The goal is not maximizing the ADA price but "growth with principles" — value growth that does not sacrifice decentralization. Price-maximization alone would justify even centralizing the chain, which he rejects. III. The solution. Build a purpose-built, moderated space — a "heterotopia" — dedicated solely to governance. The first venue is Discord. IV. Making the space attack-proof and productive. Confidentiality via the Chatham House Rule plus zero-knowledge anonymity blocks the "leak an unformed idea and manufacture a scandal" attack: members can prove they belong without revealing identity, which also enables anonymous voting (e.g., Semaphore ported to Midnight). Conversations are organized into domain-expert "circles" (from Holacracy) drawn from a statistically representative pool, run by a facilitator (human or AI) through a structured pre-/main-/post-conversation flow. The accumulated record becomes a governance knowledge graph and eventually a "Cardano LLM" single source of truth. V. Teeth — the political party and Charles as DRep. A space with no power is "just yelling at a screen," so participation must have teeth. Charles will become a DRep only if a political party exists. The party is a product of the process: whoever wins the convergence on "what growth means" becomes its members, and that converged position becomes the platform; it would likely be the ecosystem's largest DRep. Its core mechanism: automatically vote NO on any funding proposal whose proposers refuse to join and participate in the governance Discord — which, with enough voting power, effectively gates all project funding. His rationale: receiving public treasury funds should carry a duty not just to pass audits but to participate in accountability and growth; accountability means being able to remove those who break commitments; participation is "no longer optional." The party's purpose is to push the constitutional updates through, fill the new elected roles with its members, execute a budget-funded strategy, and protect the discussion channels. He frames this as leadership, not a power grab — he says he wants to be neither king nor president, only to "lead" by including people. VI. The output — a recursive governance cycle. Rules evolve by vote of the participants (the Nomic principle), iterating after each cycle:  ① Define growth metrics → write them into the constitution's preamble.  ② Design an executive function and new roles (beyond today's legislative/DReps and judicial/Constitutional Committee, adding an executive, an AI role, and representation for DApps/projects to address the concentrated voting power of large holders) → constitution v2.  ③ Set strategy, accountability, and a budget — consolidating treasury spending into one withdrawal per year via Funding Organizations (FOs), so a DRep faces one decision and one debate per year instead of a flood of 600M+ ADA in proposals where every rejection makes an enemy → then loop. Convergence produces winners and losers; sometimes the ecosystem must shrink to grow (the Ethereum/Ethereum Classic split). VII. Rollout as an MVP. Rather than chasing perfection, start lean and iterate: Stage 1 = ideation (an IO working group, RACI roles, staffing and tooling — current), Stage 2 = closed beta plus a hackathon and recruitment, Stage 3 = open it up (many banned at first for breaking the rules). Timeline 12–24 months, legitimized by a DRep vote and a constitutional amendment; later, fork a decentralized social platform into Cardano-native infrastructure linked to the chain. VIII. Boundaries. This is not "No Homers" exclusion: every ADA holder is welcome, but only under the code of conduct. It is not a venue for transparency-litigation or personal attacks — that behavior gets you banned (the surgical-theater / library analogy). To disagree you must offer a workable alternative and explain why it is better.

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1morestep@dogw__d·
@Yabba900 @TapTools It’s not the end of the world, how many businesses outside of crypto close on a daily basis, the ecosystem will survive just like society does.
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Yabba900@Yabba900·
Taptools was one of the reasons the Cardano Ecosystem thrived Such an easy site to navigate that no one has replicated yet @TapTools 🫡
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1morestep@dogw__d·
@HolgerCardano24 @real_martin87 So what your idea other than say his idea wrong? He is completely right, everyone wants to say your wrong and he may be but whose putting up alternative options. Twitter is the last place to have professional conversations, what’s your suggestion!!!!!!
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Holger - Guarding our Vision!@HolgerCardano24·
@real_martin87 I think you misunderstood it. He asks for a new process, and his first idea is/was Discord. And if you do not follow the new process (if his idea is the final one) then it would mean, you either are in that Discord or your vote = zero value.
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1morestep@dogw__d·
@HolgerCardano24 So you put it out like it’s true while you say I’m not sure because you didn’t do your research. But others have post it’s not true and stated why but you KNOWINGLY disregard. When the next update for iagon? Seams like all we hear is everything but your actual project!
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1morestep@dogw__d·
@IOHK_Charles I’m a nobody but I will do my part and try and create something similar to adamail but a chat. It’s not discord and no one need to delegate to CH you can be delegate to who ever. It’s not centralized neither would discord and it will be made by community
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1morestep@dogw__d·
@IOHK_Charles So im just a community member who drep is Dave and im glad he is. My proposal since people are against the discord idea is why not have it intergrated with are wallets like begin, eternal, lace.. have a feature that allows the community to speak through the wallets we own.
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1morestep@dogw__d·
@JaromirTesar ? Just because you join the discord does not mean your ada is delegated to CH . It’s up to the ada holder to who they want to delegate to . Right or did o listen to it wrong?
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Cardano YOD₳@JaromirTesar·
A major part of the Cardano governance discussion may move to Discord. This may be a bigger change than you think. Charles has framed X as a poor venue for governance coordination because it rewards conflict, attention, and public drama. I agree with that. He appears to see Intersect as insufficient, or at least not yet the place where the ecosystem forms shared goals, strategies, and political convergence. In practice, many DReps have already started organizing in other spaces, which suggests that Intersect did not become the main coordination layer for DReps. In my opinion, Intersect could communicate with DReps more effectively and actively involve them in governance activities, such as preparing the budget process. In my view, moving to Discord is not necessarily a win by itself. A structured governance workspace is critically important because current governance suffers from weak coordination, fragmented debate, and too much conflict on public social media. At the same time, governance is fundamentally public, with all its positives and negatives. It is not healthy to isolate governance completely, although debates on X will likely continue regardless of Discord. My concern is that Discord could become more than a discussion venue. If Charles forms a large DRep party and that party automatically votes NO on proposals whose teams do not participate in the Discord process, then Discord could become a de facto gate for Treasury funding. This is more than just “governance on Discord.” One dominant political group could control or heavily influence the venue, the process, annual budget formation, and future executive roles, while using voting power to enforce participation. Accountability for Treasury-funded projects is necessary. But participation in one specific political venue should not become an unofficial requirement for access to Cardano Treasury funding. The details matter. But if participation in the Discord process becomes a condition for serious political support, then Discord may become practically mandatory for proposers and highly important for DReps who want influence inside that process. This setup could also crowd out alternative political parties if “Discord leadership” becomes the default legitimacy layer for Cardano governance. I think this change is too hasty. There should have been a public debate first. I would appreciate submitting an Info Action so that DReps can provide feedback. To be clear, I’m moving to Discord because there’s basically no other alternative. Thanks, @yutazzz, for the summary.
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Here's a summary of three Cardano Discord videos by IOG: If you don't join this Discord, you'll be subject to an automatic NO vote by the DReps party, including Charles DRep. They aim to become the largest DRep and lead the ecosystem. The goal is to create an annual omnibus proposal within the Discord. In short, this Discord is not just another Discord, but could potentially become a requirement for treasury spending, so those aiming for that should pay attention. This is simply information sharing, not my opinion. I. Diagnosis — the venue, not the people. Cardano's governance breaks down because it happens on X, a broadcast medium whose reward is attention and influence. That structure amplifies ego and turns every exchange into a win/lose spectacle. Real agreement requires three things — empathy, shared goals, and aligned incentives — and none of them can form on a broadcast channel. Without them you cannot set goals, build strategy, or collaborate, so governance is structurally impossible. Intersect was supposed to be the dedicated space but failed, partly because X already dominated the conversation and a small group of critics (he claims fewer than 100) controls the narrative. II. The objective. The goal is not maximizing the ADA price but "growth with principles" — value growth that does not sacrifice decentralization. Price-maximization alone would justify even centralizing the chain, which he rejects. III. The solution. Build a purpose-built, moderated space — a "heterotopia" — dedicated solely to governance. The first venue is Discord. IV. Making the space attack-proof and productive. Confidentiality via the Chatham House Rule plus zero-knowledge anonymity blocks the "leak an unformed idea and manufacture a scandal" attack: members can prove they belong without revealing identity, which also enables anonymous voting (e.g., Semaphore ported to Midnight). Conversations are organized into domain-expert "circles" (from Holacracy) drawn from a statistically representative pool, run by a facilitator (human or AI) through a structured pre-/main-/post-conversation flow. The accumulated record becomes a governance knowledge graph and eventually a "Cardano LLM" single source of truth. V. Teeth — the political party and Charles as DRep. A space with no power is "just yelling at a screen," so participation must have teeth. Charles will become a DRep only if a political party exists. The party is a product of the process: whoever wins the convergence on "what growth means" becomes its members, and that converged position becomes the platform; it would likely be the ecosystem's largest DRep. Its core mechanism: automatically vote NO on any funding proposal whose proposers refuse to join and participate in the governance Discord — which, with enough voting power, effectively gates all project funding. His rationale: receiving public treasury funds should carry a duty not just to pass audits but to participate in accountability and growth; accountability means being able to remove those who break commitments; participation is "no longer optional." The party's purpose is to push the constitutional updates through, fill the new elected roles with its members, execute a budget-funded strategy, and protect the discussion channels. He frames this as leadership, not a power grab — he says he wants to be neither king nor president, only to "lead" by including people. VI. The output — a recursive governance cycle. Rules evolve by vote of the participants (the Nomic principle), iterating after each cycle:  ① Define growth metrics → write them into the constitution's preamble.  ② Design an executive function and new roles (beyond today's legislative/DReps and judicial/Constitutional Committee, adding an executive, an AI role, and representation for DApps/projects to address the concentrated voting power of large holders) → constitution v2.  ③ Set strategy, accountability, and a budget — consolidating treasury spending into one withdrawal per year via Funding Organizations (FOs), so a DRep faces one decision and one debate per year instead of a flood of 600M+ ADA in proposals where every rejection makes an enemy → then loop. Convergence produces winners and losers; sometimes the ecosystem must shrink to grow (the Ethereum/Ethereum Classic split). VII. Rollout as an MVP. Rather than chasing perfection, start lean and iterate: Stage 1 = ideation (an IO working group, RACI roles, staffing and tooling — current), Stage 2 = closed beta plus a hackathon and recruitment, Stage 3 = open it up (many banned at first for breaking the rules). Timeline 12–24 months, legitimized by a DRep vote and a constitutional amendment; later, fork a decentralized social platform into Cardano-native infrastructure linked to the chain. VIII. Boundaries. This is not "No Homers" exclusion: every ADA holder is welcome, but only under the code of conduct. It is not a venue for transparency-litigation or personal attacks — that behavior gets you banned (the surgical-theater / library analogy). To disagree you must offer a workable alternative and explain why it is better.

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1morestep@dogw__d·
@ItsDave_ADA @CardanoG1 @yutazzz I’m not smart enough but can’t the wallets themselves have some type of feature that allows this type of conversation. Maybe a feature where wallets like begin, eternal… users can start group chats. Like adamail but a chat not email.
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Dave@ItsDave_ADA·
@CardanoG1 @yutazzz You could also run a relay node with a few commands yourself too as an alternative and then link that to Eternl. Which would then allow you to do the same thing.
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Here's a summary of three Cardano Discord videos by IOG: If you don't join this Discord, you'll be subject to an automatic NO vote by the DReps party, including Charles DRep. They aim to become the largest DRep and lead the ecosystem. The goal is to create an annual omnibus proposal within the Discord. In short, this Discord is not just another Discord, but could potentially become a requirement for treasury spending, so those aiming for that should pay attention. This is simply information sharing, not my opinion. I. Diagnosis — the venue, not the people. Cardano's governance breaks down because it happens on X, a broadcast medium whose reward is attention and influence. That structure amplifies ego and turns every exchange into a win/lose spectacle. Real agreement requires three things — empathy, shared goals, and aligned incentives — and none of them can form on a broadcast channel. Without them you cannot set goals, build strategy, or collaborate, so governance is structurally impossible. Intersect was supposed to be the dedicated space but failed, partly because X already dominated the conversation and a small group of critics (he claims fewer than 100) controls the narrative. II. The objective. The goal is not maximizing the ADA price but "growth with principles" — value growth that does not sacrifice decentralization. Price-maximization alone would justify even centralizing the chain, which he rejects. III. The solution. Build a purpose-built, moderated space — a "heterotopia" — dedicated solely to governance. The first venue is Discord. IV. Making the space attack-proof and productive. Confidentiality via the Chatham House Rule plus zero-knowledge anonymity blocks the "leak an unformed idea and manufacture a scandal" attack: members can prove they belong without revealing identity, which also enables anonymous voting (e.g., Semaphore ported to Midnight). Conversations are organized into domain-expert "circles" (from Holacracy) drawn from a statistically representative pool, run by a facilitator (human or AI) through a structured pre-/main-/post-conversation flow. The accumulated record becomes a governance knowledge graph and eventually a "Cardano LLM" single source of truth. V. Teeth — the political party and Charles as DRep. A space with no power is "just yelling at a screen," so participation must have teeth. Charles will become a DRep only if a political party exists. The party is a product of the process: whoever wins the convergence on "what growth means" becomes its members, and that converged position becomes the platform; it would likely be the ecosystem's largest DRep. Its core mechanism: automatically vote NO on any funding proposal whose proposers refuse to join and participate in the governance Discord — which, with enough voting power, effectively gates all project funding. His rationale: receiving public treasury funds should carry a duty not just to pass audits but to participate in accountability and growth; accountability means being able to remove those who break commitments; participation is "no longer optional." The party's purpose is to push the constitutional updates through, fill the new elected roles with its members, execute a budget-funded strategy, and protect the discussion channels. He frames this as leadership, not a power grab — he says he wants to be neither king nor president, only to "lead" by including people. VI. The output — a recursive governance cycle. Rules evolve by vote of the participants (the Nomic principle), iterating after each cycle:  ① Define growth metrics → write them into the constitution's preamble.  ② Design an executive function and new roles (beyond today's legislative/DReps and judicial/Constitutional Committee, adding an executive, an AI role, and representation for DApps/projects to address the concentrated voting power of large holders) → constitution v2.  ③ Set strategy, accountability, and a budget — consolidating treasury spending into one withdrawal per year via Funding Organizations (FOs), so a DRep faces one decision and one debate per year instead of a flood of 600M+ ADA in proposals where every rejection makes an enemy → then loop. Convergence produces winners and losers; sometimes the ecosystem must shrink to grow (the Ethereum/Ethereum Classic split). VII. Rollout as an MVP. Rather than chasing perfection, start lean and iterate: Stage 1 = ideation (an IO working group, RACI roles, staffing and tooling — current), Stage 2 = closed beta plus a hackathon and recruitment, Stage 3 = open it up (many banned at first for breaking the rules). Timeline 12–24 months, legitimized by a DRep vote and a constitutional amendment; later, fork a decentralized social platform into Cardano-native infrastructure linked to the chain. VIII. Boundaries. This is not "No Homers" exclusion: every ADA holder is welcome, but only under the code of conduct. It is not a venue for transparency-litigation or personal attacks — that behavior gets you banned (the surgical-theater / library analogy). To disagree you must offer a workable alternative and explain why it is better.
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1morestep@dogw__d·
@ItsDave_ADA @CardanoG1 @yutazzz How does this centralizes cardano? It’s like minded people talking in a place. Twitter is crap full of it. I could totally be wrong but didn’t we have groups like Summons that was working on governance why?
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1morestep@dogw__d·
@ItsDave_ADA @CardanoG1 @yutazzz I have delegated to you as drep from the beginning when you start and glad but what is your alternative? CH is correct with people need to put up ideas rather than just talk. I willing to go to discord it does not mean I’m delegating to CH. i dont agree this centralized anyth
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Cardano_G - Drep@CardanoG1·
@HolgerCardano24 What is your plan for completing Leios? What is your plan for completing Hydra? How will you fund further research in preparation for PQ? If you have a better plan than Charles, let’s hear it. If you don’t, criticism won’t help.
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agus 🐦‍⬛ 🇦🇷@agustinenada·
I think Cardano needs to redefine itself and clearly articulate what it is today. Is it hard money? A decentralized government? A startup? The world's largest DAO? A secure, institution-focused protocol? We still want the slow and steady approach? More formal verification? Do we want L2s? Do we want Zk and Privacy? Quantum Resistance? DeFI? Stablecoins? We need some sort of roadmap. Once that is clearly defined, vendors can make better-informed decisions when designing proposals that align with Cardano’s Roadmap, and DReps can better assess what is truly valuable and what is not.
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1morestep@dogw__d·
@NaVi_GaT0R So what happening at Iagon? I’ve heard enough of this from both sides. Each sides arnt angles. Start showing progress on iagon we all understand their are plenty of bad apples let them burn the bridge they are on Till then start showing the CARDANO Community why Iagon is relevant
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⛏️Dr. Navjit Dhaliwal@NaVi_GaT0R·
This clip is deeply disturbing, it was shared with me today. A senior IOG employee describes autonomous killing drones using "skin tone" to identify targets, says it would be "quite trivial" and adds that for "third world" cultures it would be nearly impossible to defend against. Why is this the kind of example being casually discussed by someone representing a major Cardano company? This is not an isolated concern. We have already seen racial slurs from people connected to or aligned with IOG/Cardano governance circles. ie. @phil_uplc a CC member and Lucas a former employee Does @IOGroup condone this kind of language and thinking from its employees, consultants or representatives? Do companies and organizations working with IOG, Cardano institutions, @Cardano_CF, @emurgo_io consider this acceptable? Because every time institutions fund, endorse or defend an IOG proposal without demanding accountability, they should ask themselves what behavior they are normalizing. Influencers keep talking about "controlling the narrative." But maybe the real issue is not the narrative. Maybe the issue is the conduct, comments and culture people are being asked to ignore. You cannot market your way out of this. Big companies, regulators and serious partners do not look at comments like this and say "great ecosystem." They ask what kind of culture allows it.
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