Ernie Park

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Ernie Park

Ernie Park

@eipark

Co-founder @lizzysleepapp - sleep training babies is good for the whole family.

Katılım Mayıs 2009
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Derek Feehrer@DerekFeehrer·
I just took this screen recording and turned it into a full product demo video in 20 minutes, using only one app. 3D animations, text, AI voiceover, music, and 3D gradient callouts to draw attention to the important parts. But sure, keep posting Loom videos.
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Ernie Park
Ernie Park@eipark·
In this tweet: strawmen, hand waving, false dichotomies, fear mongering. “I’m a doctor and there’s no data on this but I’m just gonna guess this is bad and make a link to mental health issues” When my kids are asleep 🧵 incoming on why this is such a ridiculous tweet.
Dr Danish@operationdanish

What if the “Cry It Out” sleep training (aka extinction-based sleep training) has contributed to mental health issues in young people? In some ways, it’s the most insane thing to do to a child (and is based on incredibly poor science). For centuries, families co-slept without issues, but in modern times, it has become increasingly taboo… why? How can repeated emotional non-response to a baby be healthy? What does it do to their stress calibration, attachment expectations, and self-regulation? How does it play out in their long term relationships and social connections? I’ve read the studies and they are poorly designed and weakly supported. Yet, we have an entire generation of parents that blindly follow this insane protocol without reviewing the data themselves. To be fair, the data supporting co-sleeping is weak as well, but it has centuries of precedent so I feel much more comfortable supporting that than a new approach that was largely instituted since the 1920s. For some context, in the 20th century, behaviorist John Watson (1928), interested in making psychology a hard science, took up the crusade against affection as president of the American Psychological Association. He applied the paradigm of behaviorism to childrearing, warning about the dangers of “too much mother love”. The 20th century was the time when “science" was assumed to know better than mothers, grandmothers, and families about how to raise a child. Too much kindness to a baby would result in a whiney, dependent, failed human being. A government pamphlet from the time recommended that "mothering meant holding the baby quietly, in tranquility-inducing positions" and that "the mother should stop immediately if her arms feel tired" because "the baby is never to inconvenience the adult." A baby older than six months "should be taught to sit silently in the crib; otherwise, he might need to be constantly watched and entertained by the mother, a serious waste of time." The truth is the opposite. We now know that ignoring a child raising cortisol levels and hurts trust and attachment. Yet, every young parent I know today has been brainwashed to let their child cry in silence. It’s truly wild.

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Ernie Park
Ernie Park@eipark·
This could be the single most Hacker News comment of all time.
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Ernie Park
Ernie Park@eipark·
@ernsterlanson Understood. I think this question is based on myths of what sleep training is and what the alternatives are. Parents worry, naturally, that sleep training is cruel and the alternatives aren’t. In reality babies cry a lot to sleep and sleep worse usually when not sleep trained
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Ernst
Ernst@ernsterlanson·
@eipark It's worth noting that your first argument comes from studies. I am highly skeptical of such science, but regardless, I think the treatment of others is primarily a moral question.
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Ernst
Ernst@ernsterlanson·
I am conflicted about this. On the one hand, I feel slightly disturbed reading this. It just feels strange to talk about this way about a human being. Babies have reasons, just as adults have reasons. If a baby wants to be in their parents' arms, it seems so wrong to me to say "No, you need to learn to fall asleep by yourself, I won't hug you". If a friend wants a hug and I would respond with "no you need to learn to soothe yourself, if I give you a hug you will only get dependent on me helping you". That's not what I want from a friend Otoh, this is probably useful to some parents. And I am all for useful advice. Yet I could never do something like this. Our daugther has been sleeping very well though. The only thing we did was allow her to fall asleep on her schedule. And cosleep in the early months so that it was easy to just help her feel safe and fall asleep if she woke up. What I want to say is I don't know if my gut reaction of feeling slightly disturbed is a mistake or not here.
Niels Hoven 🐮@NielsHoven

Looks like people are posting deranged takes on “cry it out” sleep training again FYI “sleeping through the night” is a teachable skill if you break it down into its component parts. All 4 of my kids learned to sleep through the night by ~3 months with minimal tears or drama Most kids won’t sleep through the night much earlier than that because their stomachs aren’t big enough to hold enough calories, so that’s a baseline gating factor. Their tummies need to be big enough to get through the night. But once you’re over that hump, there’s only two skills necessary for sleeping through the night, and they’re both teachable to a 3-month-old: 1) self-settling - the ability to fall asleep on their own. If you rock your baby to sleep in your arms and then put them in bed already asleep, they don’t develop this skill. Put them in bed just as they’re beginning to fade out. Or wake them up a little as you put them down, and let them re-settle to sleep in their own bed 2) connecting sleep cycles - if you pick your baby up every time they stir, they don’t get to build this skill. Instead, pat their back and try to guide them from one sleep cycle into their next one without them fully waking up While “cry it out” does work and I’m extremely skeptical that it creates any lasting trauma, it’s a bit like learning to swim by getting chucked into the deep end. It’s always better to break a goal down into specific skills that can be practiced individually, then gradually blended together for the desired result

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Ernie Park
Ernie Park@eipark·
@ernsterlanson Also, sleep training for most is removing sleep associations like feeding or rocking. Babies who never form these associations (like my second kid) pretty much can be sleep trained with minimal crying from just building positive routines and independent sleep skills early.
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Ernie Park
Ernie Park@eipark·
@ernsterlanson There have been studies that show there’s no harm in attachment from sleep training in young kids. Anecdotally also, you can see sleep trained kids (and families) are well rested which is good for everyone’s health. Crying hard but done right sleep training is quick.
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Ernie Park@eipark·
@theryandreyer Same. When I saw friends struggling and not having their evenings I knew it wasn’t sustainable for us. Hence sleep training and then building @lizzysleepapp to help other parents do the same.
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Ryan Dreyer 🪓
Ryan Dreyer 🪓@theryandreyer·
Baby sleep coach was insane ROI for us Took a week to get on the protocol, and it’s worked for 2+ years The predictability of quiet evenings (after 7) and mornings (until 7) is huge for maintaining my own emotional stability
Nat Eliason@nateliason

Militant sleep training is probably 80% of why having 3 kids under 5 feels so manageable for @cosetteeliason and me. Aside from the ~4.5mo newborn phase, we've slept just as well as we did before kids. Maybe better since we keep a routine now.

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Derek Feehrer
Derek Feehrer@DerekFeehrer·
Ok, all these Sora 3 leaks look and sound incredible. Sound on.
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Founder Kyle@FounderKyle·
Being an entrepreneur is tough. IMO being an entrepreneur & a Christian is even tougher. I'm thinking about getting together a group of specifically Christian entrepreneurs to talk & pray through our businesses and our lives. Would anyone be interested in something like that?
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Ernie Park
Ernie Park@eipark·
Most baby apps prey on your anxiety rather than help you as a parent.
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Ankur Nagpal@ankurnagpal·
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Ernie Park
Ernie Park@eipark·
@NielsHoven how do you think about the sort of 'matrix' between academics x social/emotional growth between all those options?
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Niels Hoven 🐮
Niels Hoven 🐮@NielsHoven·
The problem with schools: 1) schools are pretty good for the average kid 2) school are terrible for high-achieving kids because smart kids can learn 2-5 times faster than everyone else but schools today actively disallow this 3) there are two problems to solve here: 3a) how do we give smart kids the opportunity to progress at their naturally high rates? 3b) how do we motivate them to want to do so? ​ Possible answers to 3a: tracking/ability grouping in schools (currently a political no-no), personal tutors (expensive), home schooling (great if you enjoy it), software (works ok if you pick the right software and provide some support for the software's shortcomings) ​ Possible answers to 3b: teacher encouragement/validation, parent encouragement/validation, gamification, intrinsic motivation. With motivation, the goal is always to start with extrinsic rewards to get over the initial hump and then fade them out to instead rely on intrinsic motivation long term. ​ People have asked me what I think about Alpha School. We're extremely aligned philosophically. Both Alpha School and Mentava are trying to solve 3a and 3b, and we believe software + gamification is the most scalable (not necessarily the "best") combination to solve it. ​ But once you see those as the two main problems to solve, you can kind of experiment and see what works best for your kid.
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Ernie Park@eipark·
@YIMBYLAND Tracking helpful for first few weeks but not as necessary after. For sleep check out @lizzysleepapp. Less tracking more sleeping.
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YIMBYLAND
YIMBYLAND@YIMBYLAND·
Need an app for tracking feeding, diaper changes, etc. What’s the strat, Dads?
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Ernie Park@eipark·
@ClickingSeason As someone who has seen hundreds of families try to do this - this is correct. With the exception of health issues, or EXTREME outliers, all babies are capable of sleeping independently without developing attachment issues.
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Seasonal Clickfarm Worker
Seasonal Clickfarm Worker@ClickingSeason·
Everyone in this chain is a respected poster and friend. But now it is time for some real talk. Baby sleep is a solved problem. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A “BABY WHO DOESN’T SLEEP.” All healthy babies can sleep well. Don’t kid yourself that your baby won’t sleep well because he “has a different temperament.” All healthy babies can sleep well. There are a rare few babies who sleep train themselves. But mostly there are parents who sleep train and parents who cannot bring themselves to sleep train. Parents in the former category are well rested and have happy babies. Parents in the latter category are exhausted and have cranky babies. You can choose, it’s your life. Fin.
0.005 Seconds (3/694)@seconds_0

You really want to solve fertility via encouraging families to have more than 1 or 2 kids again, solve infant sleeping. Solve this and you win the century

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Ernie Park
Ernie Park@eipark·
@wanyeburkett Depends. How do you define success? If it works for your family and you do it safely, great! But many families co sleep bc they can’t figure out independent sleep. Marriages suffer. Everyone sleeps worse. Parents lose alone time. And it’s hard. It’s not binary.
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Ernie Park@eipark·
Cancellable take: dads are better at sleep training than moms.
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Ernie Park@eipark·
@RizomaSchool Any hard stance on baby sleep is cope. Also if you reduce sleep training to “baby screaming alone in a dark room is normal” you don’t actually understand independent sleep and it sounds like your own cope for wanting to co sleep (which is fine if you do it safely).
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Jack Han
Jack Han@JhanHky·
@eipark Unfortunately Im one of the Chinese Hans...
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Jack Han@JhanHky·
Word of advice for parents trying to put a 2yr old down for sleep:
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