@kevinoils_kevin @RobinMchug73777 @BjCruickshank @JohnSwinney That’s not what John swinney said on live tv to the nation so who is lying ?????
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Fabian Starr
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@forthtofife @RobinMchug73777 @BjCruickshank @JohnSwinney No, the mandate he had came from the SNP conference and discussion groups. It states a pro- Independence majority or SNP majority.
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Oh here we go @JohnSwinney Starmer is already rowing back on your interpretation of your 'phone call: x.com/PeterAdamSmith… We are dealing with the Brit State here John, Scotland's very survival is at stake. This time we will not take NO for an answer from Starmer.
Peter A Smith@PeterAdamSmith
Downing Street say they do not recognise the Scottish FM’s interpretation of the phone call. “The PM committed to meeting to discussed shared issues including the cost of living. “As the PM told the First Minister, the manifesto this government was elected on was unambiguous that ‘Labour does not support independence or another referendum’. “Our position remains unchanged.”
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@BenartyComputer Mandate 😂😂😂😂 dry your eyes their will be no referendum 😂😂😂
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@joshpizpom @heraldscotland Why not if you want to allow them in or are you just a nimby
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Reform want to put a migrant detention centre in the middle of a UNESCO World Heritage site.
Is that feasible?
@heraldscotland
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Good. Hope Streeting gets hammered.
Aubrey Allegretti@breeallegretti
Exc with @patrickkmaguire: Wes Streeting has told allies that he is preparing to resign and trigger a leadership contest as soon as tomorrow. The health secretary confronted Sir Keir Starmer this morning during a meeting ahead of the King’s Speech that lasted just 16 minutes over the turmoil engulfing the Labour Party. Allies of Streeting who have spoken to him directly said that he has made clear that he is “going to go for it”. They said that he is likely to resign on Thursday and mount a formal challenge for the leadership One Streeting ally who has spoken to him said: “He is going to go for it. He’s going tomorrow.” Discussions have also been held to prepare for MPs to sign Streeting’s nomination papers, according to one of those with knowledge of the plans. Another who has spoken to him said that claims by Starmer’s allies that he has “bottled it” are wide of the mark and that he made clear in private that he will make a bid for the leadership. A third senior source organising for Streeting said: “If they [Starmer’s supporters] think this is over, they’re going to be disappointed. I’m expecting a move before the end of the week.” A spokesman for Streeting said: “Wes is the Health Secretary, he is proud of his record of falling waiting lists and a recovering NHS. He is not planning to say anything following his meeting with the Prime Minister that might distract from the King’s Speech.”
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@RobinMchug73777 @BjCruickshank @JohnSwinney No I listened to John Swinney who stated in the run up to the election he said he would only have a mandate if he had 65 or more msps in Holyrood as part of the snp but he does not so did John swinney lie ?
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@forthtofife @BjCruickshank @JohnSwinney SNP does indeed have a majority, Fabian, they have more Holyrood seats than all of the yoonyawnists' seats counted together!
You've been listening to too much UK media.
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@IanGrant_edwest @BBCScotland No it’s the 4 biggest parties in Scotland 🏴
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This is a joke; no, this is deliberate provocation by @BBCScotland . 4 Unionists v One Nationalist, 3 of whom are arguably extreme right wing. They never change as they decline into biased irrelevance👇
BBC Debate Night@bbcdebatenight
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@Iain_L No that’s what happens after 20 years of the SNP running our education system
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They’re not the third largest.
Kieran MacNeil@KieranMacNeil_
Despite the Scottish Greens being the third largest party in Holyrood, the BBC has opted to invite four unionists, including the Tories, the fourth largest party in Holyrood. This is the largest pro-indy presence in Holyrood, and only one pro-indy MSP is invited?
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@KieranMacNeil_ There is no mandate!!!! Swinney stated he need a majority of his own party never got it so no mandate and the greens may talk about independence in their manifesto BUT it does not mention requesting a referendum or what would trigger one.
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Makes sense for a Downing Street in panic mode to not confirm independence talks talking place as the PM tries to hang on to power.
All the more reason Swinney is putting the pressure on him for independence.
Peter A Smith@PeterAdamSmith
Downing Street say they do not recognise the Scottish FM’s interpretation of the phone call. “The PM committed to meeting to discussed shared issues including the cost of living. “As the PM told the First Minister, the manifesto this government was elected on was unambiguous that ‘Labour does not support independence or another referendum’. “Our position remains unchanged.”
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@KieranMacNeil_ @Wilson34David I’m supposed Kieran can’t do basic maths that’s 20 years of snp and the effect on our once proud education system
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@Wilson34David SNP
Labour + Reform
Greens
Do explain how this isn’t third?
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Despite the Scottish Greens being the third largest party in Holyrood, the BBC has opted to invite four unionists, including the Tories, the fourth largest party in Holyrood.
This is the largest pro-indy presence in Holyrood, and only one pro-indy MSP is invited?
BBC Debate Night@bbcdebatenight
Tomorrow, join Debate Night from Haddington On the panel: Paul McLennan, Kim Schmulian, Katherine Sangster, Douglas Lumsden, and Isabel Hardman Weds 13th, 9pm on @BBCScotland and @BBCiPlayer Apply to be in the audience now: bbc.co.uk/send/u39873202 #bbcdn
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@scotfax @BlueAlasdair Thanks for that so yeah they can mention it all they want but no mention for a referendum to get independence then yep the greens are buggered mind you they will do a swinney and move the goal posts they have no ethics
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@forthtofife @BlueAlasdair Zero reference to a referendum, Green policy is to extend the powers of the parliament to eventually embrace independence it's not about a referendum at this stage.
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Ian humiliated himself this morning having only just realised that the Greens didnt have an indyref in their manifesto.
But it's OK, because he's telling me I'm seething.
Great save there @BlueAlasdair you turned a massive screw up into an even bigger one.
IainAlasdair@IainAlasdair
@scotfax Scotfuk still seething after witnessing a massive pro-Indy majority returned to Holyrood. Yoons raging everywhere, fukin brilliant to see.
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@Dmca74D @RonaldR44615821 That’s typical David when your faced with the facts it’s all fake news and the person is a bot ps where is the greens manifesto pledge for a referendum ?
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John Swinney finds himself in the same position Nicola Sturgeon found herself in between 2016-23: a pro-indy majority with the Greens.
The answer from the UK Government will be the same and nothing will move forward.
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@ValerieRooney1 @bellacaledonia For being so called progressives your actually more bigoted than reform next you will be asking them to sew patches on their jackets so people can see who they are and keep them segregated bit like in the 1930s
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@forthtofife @bellacaledonia Nope
Reform has ideology they are wedded to, and it's based in hatred and bigotry.
You don't discuss or platform these haters.
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Agree with Mhairi - you shouldn't engage with people advocating detention centres and secret police.
Mhairi Hunter 🏴 🇺🇦 🇵🇸@MhairiHunter
> argument are reasonable. You may strongly agree or disagree but there's a legitimate debate. If you open the door to debating whether all Muslims should be deported you are in effect saying that is a reasonable proposition to debate. It obviously isn't. These aren't abstract >
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@MartinJKeatings Just like the SNP giving the waspi women their money it’s devolved but they didn’t do it
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It is staggering how many unionists cant actually tell the difference between whats reserved to Westminster and devolved to Scotland - You know who voted to block most "Devo Max" powers to Scotland after promising them in 2014? Yeah! Labour!
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@MartinJKeatings Yes but not for it to be gamed like how the greens do with only standing in three constituencies letting the snp have free reign and splitting the vote
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To be clear - THE UNIONISTS created the voting system in Scotland in 1998 under the Scotland Act. So when they whinge about it, they whinge about their own creation because it no longer lets them get their own way #KidsAtTheSupermarketScreaminingForSweeties
Martin J Keatings 🏴@MartinJKeatings
It wasn't Swinneys mandate, nor was it the SNP's mandate. It was a YES mandate. How many seats did the Yes supporting parties get again? Ah yes! A majority - no point in whinging about a majority in a system the Unionist parties set up. Just saying!
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@JamesKelly Angus was right the snp if no section 30 then call a new election but your SNP will never do that. Independence is just the 🥕 they will never give up the gravy train.
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Although I don't disagree with Angus on the principle of using a snap Holyrood election as a de facto referendum, the idea that you could do it within a few months of the election we've just had is a bit nuts. Voters punish that sort of thing. There would have to be a gap.
Angus B MacNeil 🏴@AngusBMacNeil
This is good from Swinney. But there has to be clear consequences for a referendum being refused. In other words, calling a Holyrood election on independence in the next few months when Westminster doesn't respect the Scottish Parliament referendum vote.
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I’m fed up with non SNP people telling me how all the good things we get. Like free prescriptions free university fees free bus travel etc etc etc are not free but paid for by taxes. Some of these things I don’t benefit from but I m happy for my taxes to pay for them.
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No he hasn't. Mandate for a referendum has nothing to do with the SNP. It has to do with number of seats Pro-Independence Parties hold vs Unionist Parties. The Scottish Parliament has more Pro-Indy than Unionist seats. That's a mandate.
Colin Mackay@STVColin
Scottish LibDem leader says he has deprived the SNP of a mandate for another independence referendum
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