Hieronymus

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Hieronymus

Hieronymus

@hieronymusPL

Katılım Haziran 2015
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@brethrenfpurity That's all well and good, but what is the solution then? It would seem like to non-Muslims that you've just shown the Qur'an isn't from God. If one wants to say "the Qur'an isn't a science book" yet almost all exegetes of the past took it to at least be a history book.
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Brethren of Purity
Brethren of Purity@brethrenfpurity·
That is correct. The Alexander Legend which Quran has a clear parallel with as well as just the general Late Antique milieu presuppose a different cosmology. Quite ironic that Salafis who claim to follow the text literally change when it doesn't fit what they want it to say.
ابنِ خان@IbneKhan01

Interestingly, the earliest extant explicit "appearance" (phenomenological) interpretation of Qur’ān 18:86 appears to be that of the Muʿtazilī theologian Abū ʿAlī al-Jubbāʾī (d. 303 AH / 916 CE), the former teacher of Abū al-Ḥasan al-Ashʿarī (d. 324 AH / 936 CE).

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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@Drastamad @kangminlee Yes we know Euthyphro Dilemma. The solution is say God's nature simply is the Good. It is not arbitrarily chosen: for it is grounded as His "essence", nor is it outside of Him.
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Drastamad
Drastamad@Drastamad·
@kangminlee The other implies that moral goodness is a concept that exists independent of God and He is also subjected to it, so He aligns His commands in accordance. See where I'm going with this? Rock Solid did something similar and it went over many people's heads.
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Kangmin Lee | 이강민
Kangmin Lee | 이강민@kangminlee·
While it’s an extreme and gratuitous example, Rock Solid is 100% correct here. The fact that his detractors can’t even engage with his core ontological argument on the basis of morality, with millions just blindly agreeing with them, is all the proof you need that mass democracy doesn’t work. People vastly overestimate their own intelligence and lack the capacity for thinking critically and engaging honestly on the fundamental issues that are tantamount in shaping society and deciding the rules that govern us. As the wise have long said, the strongest case against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Rock Solid@ShitpostRock

The best logical fallacy to give an atheist when discussing morals is to ask them why it's morally wrong to have intercourse with roadkill It's dead it will not feel anything, nobody will know and there are no victims If you ask a Christian or Buddhist why it's morally wrong, they will tell you it's because the body retains inherent dignity as part of God's creation (or the sacred flow of life), and desecrating it violates divine/natural order, harms your soul/karma, and shows disrespect, even if no one feels it or knows An atheistic worldview of this question taken to its extreme, concludes that intercourse with roadkill is tantamount to masturbation and nothing more

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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
>Gives Ubisoft money of his own volition >Tells Ubisoft to go bankrupt What message is he trying to send?
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Brethren of Purity
Brethren of Purity@brethrenfpurity·
If there can be divine complexity and "brute necessity", then why can't a Block Universe be a necessary existence which is necessary in itself, such that it doesn't depend on anything external to it. Salafis have no response against it.
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
If ethics cannot be reasoned to, then you cannot convince others outside your worldview that things are morally wrong. Furthermore, the burden then becomes on the Christian to justify why only Christian theological assumptions can produce these ethical beliefs.
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
Christianity has a certain set of morals but it does not "own" exclusively all of that which in its set. Ethics can be reasoned to, whether that's moral law or virtue ethics, etc. Christians themselves have acknowledged this as much.
Reddit Lies@reddit_lies

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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@IAMMEWHO50 @beano_bananaman @Internet_TLCM If we use the language of "rights" then sure. However, we can give examples of philosophies/religions that held to a "universal compassion". Buddhism taught this and so did Mohism in China, just to name two examples.
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Shin
Shin@IAMMEWHO50·
@beano_bananaman @Internet_TLCM The principle of assumed universal dignity and inherent rights for *all* humans does appear to have arisen out of Christianity. Before this there were distinct limits to who were considered worthy of empathy. Often very constrained limits.
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The Left Can't Meme
The Left Can't Meme@Internet_TLCM·
"Basic human behavior" are actions like wrath, vengeance and convenience. The moral idea of empathy, caring for one another and duty is a Christian one. Congrats on your internalized Christian morality, it comes when you live in a civilization builded on Christianity, dumbass.
The Vegapunk of Hyenas@Yeenie_Mcbeenie

The problem with arguing Christian morality is that you’ll see basic human behavior and Christians pretend they invented it

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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@NubiaEmirate @omar_dddg This is called the genetic fallacy - even if that is where the idea comes from, that doesn't refute the point.
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@korratbh @kaoru_san22 The concept of ending slavery was not a thinkable one to pre-industrial people. It's just so difficult to make things and do everything that slavery was a given reality. So the Quran regulates it, shows its wrong in principle with a projecting arch hermeneutics of abolition.
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Kai
Kai@korratbh·
@kaoru_san22 i never understood why it was this hard to make slavery haram, yeah it has to be done progressively like alcohol but it’s technically never prohibited
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☽ Mina_duⵣ🌸🇩🇿(⚢)@kaoru_san22·
I love how this anime established that regardless of how Islam says to "treat the slaves with kindness" it's still an unfair horrible practice, as it removes one's autonomy and reduces their rights socially It's also why most scholars and Islamic leaders rejected it later on
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@jim_loves_tacos @worldviewdesign You should read again. The irony is in the combination of premises 1 and 2. No where does he say you can't or shouldn't believe what men say simplicter.
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Jim Loves Tacos
Jim Loves Tacos@jim_loves_tacos·
@worldviewdesign You’re a man telling us to ignore men telling us something. That’s known as self-refuting, Mr PhD. 🤦‍♂️ I’d ask for a refund if I were you.
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Joshua Rasmussen
Joshua Rasmussen@worldviewdesign·
Religions often advertise themselves in this ironic way: 1. Lean not on the opinions of men, but on these teachings from God. Why? 2. Because men told you to.
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@ZontarAlt To be clear, Jesus definitely existed, but the gospels don't come around until nearly 40 years later and they are full of legendary/theological bias.
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@ZontarAlt We have 0 independent sources about Jesus during his time. The earliest is Paul writing 20 years after and he didn't even meet Jesus. The Doctrina Jacobi mentions "the Prophet of the Saracens" in 634. Literally 2 years after the Prophet Muhammad's death.
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ZontarDow
ZontarDow@ZontarAlt·
You know it's funny, we have plenty of independent sources about Jesus during his time, yet none of Muhammad, yet it's only the one we know for a fact existed that gets this attitude from "my feelings over evidence " style atheists like this one.
Atheistboi@athiestboi

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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@BenisKen The Christian notion of hell being "chosen separation from God" is nonsense. No one can ultimately, rationally choose against the Good if faced with it. What you really mean is if you don't accept certain propositions about Jesus, you'll suffer eternally.
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Crucimicks
Crucimicks@Crucimicks·
Whats funny about modern "pagans" is how anachronistic their idea of pagan gods is Theyve been immersed in the love of Christ for so long that they don't realize pagan "gods" actively hated humanity and tortured them constantly They only liked humans when they benefited them
PunishedAbammon@PunishedAbammon

Who gives better gifts?

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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@Ark_T0ast_ @Crucimicks This video is terrible. He only likens pagan gods to Daedra - he completely ignores the 9 divinities. Akatosh literally intervenes to end the oblivion crisis. Pagan deities were never seen as cruel or indifferent. They were better seen like masters, teachers, etc.
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@RevIsaacWirtz Of course you don't. Pagans don't need unquestionable texts or dogmas. You mistake your own paradigm for the pagan one. Paganism is the belief in gods and spirits. Pagans usually have their own myths and stories, but there's no authority to tell Pagans how to read them.
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Christian Combatives 🦬
Christian Combatives 🦬@RevIsaacWirtz·
@hieronymusPL I don't think we have to re-interpret anything here. What exactly is the text, or source, or belief, or dogma that you say "This is paganism"? Or is it just so nebulous that it can't ever be defined, unlike Christianity?
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Christian Combatives 🦬
Christian Combatives 🦬@RevIsaacWirtz·
Google is free, you can actually look up some of the stories of the pagan gods. Go ahead and take the Greek or Roman pantheon. How many of the stories are there where capricious deities torment, assault, murder, and torture those they don't like? You could even be doing the right thing and they still would find a reason to make your eternity miserable. And what did they ask in return? TONS of sacrifices, you absolutely were required to give all kinds of stuff, do all kinds of acts to fulfill their requirements or suffer their wrath. Meanwhile, in Christianity, all you need to do to be saved is already given to you freely. God dies for you. In paganism, you die for gods.
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@RevIsaacWirtz No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If Christians can re-interpret then so can pagans. But you also make the error of assuming pagan myth read literally just "is" pagan religion. This is wrong.
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Christian Combatives 🦬
Christian Combatives 🦬@RevIsaacWirtz·
@hieronymusPL In other words, you can't hold pagans accountable to what their religions say, but you should hold Christians accountable to their text. Yet you must not do so through their moral lens, but the moral lens you imagined.
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Hieronymus
Hieronymus@hieronymusPL·
@zapper_havtamo Visit our discord on Platonic Path and many pagans will happily share reasons to be pagan with you.
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